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9/11 is a Fraud Created by the Government

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{Politics.523.4379}: Otis Dill {Otis99} Mon, 09 Feb 2015 01:51:05 EST (1 line)

What 911 coverup?

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{Politics.523.4380}: Richard Clark {cardo} Mon, 09 Feb 2015 02:09:37 EST (1 line)

Watch the program and find out.   But first take off your blinders.

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{Politics.523.4381}: Jay Hoffman {resist} Mon, 09 Feb 2015 02:57:42 EST (1 line)

otis is a funny little boy with a big mouth full of bullshit

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{Politics.523.4382}: Otis Dill {Otis99} Mon, 09 Feb 2015 03:32:27 EST (1 line)

U shut cho mouth honky!

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{Politics.523.4383}: How 9/11 terrorists got into US {cardo} Mon, 09 Feb 2015 23:35:35 EST (HTML)

Former U.S. consular officer in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia Mike Springmann could not have been more timely with his new book,"Visas for Al Qaeda: CIA Handouts that Rocked the World." As demands grow for the Obama administration to release the 28 missing pages from the Senate Intelligence Committee's report on 9/11 intelligence failures, Springmann's book serves as a unique preface and epilogue to the Senate report. In fact, Springmann's description of the pipeline that provided U.S. visas to Saudi and other Wahhabist radicals provides for the reader what is, according to intelligence insiders, identified as a key finding in the "missing" 28 pages.

The release of "Visas for Al Qaeda" also comes after the so-called "20th hijacker," Zacarias Moussaoui, has confirmed what many independent observers and researchers of 9/11 have already concluded: that the House of Saudi directly financed the attack and Al Qaeda.

As Springmann succinctly states:

"The War on Terror is far more complicated than good versus evil. Al- Qaeda operatives are indeed ruthless and fanatical, but how did they come by their advanced training and international presence? Unfortunately, the answer lies in a secret US training and visa program with roots in the Cold War.

As the US trained Islamic operatives to fight Soviet forces in Afghanistan, and later allowed those same operatives to move from the Balkans to the Middle East, bumbling CIA strategists unwittingly armed and inspired the men who would become al-Qaedas leadership."

Springmann's unmasks the diplomatic world of "official cover" CIA agents who use their diplomatic privileges to carry out espionage. From embassy political and economic officers to the old U.S. Information Agency, Springmann names the names of the agents.

The reader will also discover how pro-Israelis in the State Department routinely "disappeared" documents pursued under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) because they were too embarrassing to certain parties. To undermine the FOIA, State created a category of "Non- Existant Records" with the help of U.S. Judge for the District of Columbia Reggie Walton.

Springmann details how the Jeddah diplomatic mission served as a major recruiting center for the Arab Afghan Legion that fought the Soviets in Afghanistan. It was from these ranks that Al Qaeda was created and, after that, the present-day scourge known as the Islamic State or Daesh.

"http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/articles/20150208"

With thanks to Jay in Currents

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{Politics.523.4384}: Otis Dill {Otis99} Tue, 10 Feb 2015 01:37:45 EST (6 lines)

Richard:<As the US trained Islamic operatives to fight Soviet forces in
Afghanistan, and later allowed those same operatives to move from the
Balkans to the Middle East, ..."

Wtf? Somebody needs to consult an atlas. Afghanistan is not in the
Balkans. What N ignorant comment. That author has No credibility.

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{Politics.523.4385}: Richard Clark {cardo} Tue, 10 Feb 2015 07:52:07 EST (HTML)

Maybe they went to the M.E. by way of the Balkans, where they took care of a bit of business there too.

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{Politics.523.4386}: Otis Dill {Otis99} Tue, 10 Feb 2015 08:28:28 EST (7 lines)

Richard Clark: <Zacarias Moussaoui, has confirmed what many independent
observers and researchers of 9/11 have already concluded: that the House
of Saudi directly financed the attack and Al Qaeda.>

Oh yeah? How much did this operation cost?  How much did the pocketknives
cost, about 5 bucks a pop? Use your fucking head and think critically,
boyo.

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{Politics.523.4387}: Richard Clark {cardo} Tue, 10 Feb 2015 08:40:43 EST (HTML)

The 911 terrorists had to be housed and fed for months in advance of the operation you dope. They also needed transportation costs and recreation/entertainment costs, which were probably not cheap. It also took some money to select and train the men who carried out the operation and those who planned and coordinated it.

Besides, the total amount of the costs is not significant. If the Saudis put up the money, _however_ much it was, they are complicit and guilty of murder.

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{Politics.523.4388}: Jay Hoffman {resist} Tue, 10 Feb 2015 09:10:11 EST (1 line)

odious reeks of stupidity

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{Politics.523.4389}: Otis Dill {Otis99} Tue, 10 Feb 2015 17:01:06 EST (2 lines)

You may well find evidence of Sauidis helping the hijackers with rent or
McDonalds or what-not but that hardly proves complicity to commit murder.

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{Politics.523.4390}: Jay Hoffman {resist} Tue, 10 Feb 2015 20:56:24 EST (7 lines)

Saudi complicity with the hijackers, Israeli & CIA blatant and hidden
co-operation and assuring the hijacker activity in a much wider
conspiracy with the eventual trigger for an illegal set of wars
involving mass murder on a scale that is the crime of the century.


It's no small potatoes.

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{Politics.523.4391}: Richard Clark {cardo} Wed, 11 Feb 2015 00:14:19 EST (HTML)

Otis, are you not aware that if you give shelter and refuge to a known criminal, you can be arrested and prosecuted?

What motive do you suppose the Saudis had in paying rent for these guys, and paying for all their meals? Are you supposing that the Saudis had no idea about the planned attack on 9/11? Do you think these dopes planned and coordinated the attack all by themselves?

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{Politics.523.4392}: Otis Dill {Otis99} Wed, 11 Feb 2015 01:02:52 EST (15 lines)

<What motive do you suppose the Saudis had in paying rent for these guys,
and paying for all their meals?>

Same reason any friend or relative helps another with food or rent.

<Are you supposing that the Saudis had no idea about the planned attack on
9/11?>

I gave seen no evidence that "the Saudus" (whatever that means) had
foreknowledge of the attacks.

<Do you think these dopes planned and coordinated the attack all by
themselves?>

Yes.

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{Politics.523.4393}: Jay Hoffman {resist} Wed, 11 Feb 2015 01:34:38 EST (2 lines)

otis is incredibly gullible, stupid, moronic as well as being an all-
round asshole

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{Politics.523.4394}: Otis Dill {Otis99} Wed, 11 Feb 2015 05:16:16 EST (1 line)

Jay is a funny little asshole

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{Politics.523.4395}: Richard Clark {cardo} Wed, 11 Feb 2015 10:10:01 EST (HTML)

Mohammed Atta had a very expensive coke habit and dated strippers. Where do you think he got the money, Otis? The pilots of the 911 planes all paid for some very expensive flight training. Again, where do you suppose they got the money, Otis?

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RIYADH, Saudi Arabia: During the 1980s and 90s, the historic alliance between the wealthy monarchy of Saudi Arabia and the country's powerful clerics emerged as the major financier of international jihad, channeling tens of millions of dollars to Muslim fighters in Afghanistan, Bosnia and elsewhere. Among the project's major patrons was Prince Salman bin Abdul-Aziz Al Saud Salman, who last month became Saudi Arabia's king.

Some of those fighters later formed al-Qaida, which declared war on the United States and later mounted major attacks inside Saudi Arabia as well.

In the past decade, according to officials of both the George W Bush and Barack Obama administrations, the Saudi government has become a valuable partner against terrorism, battling al-Qaida at home and last year joining the US-led coalition against the extremists of the Islamic State.

Yet Saudi Arabia continues to be haunted by what some suspect was a tacit alliance with al-Qaida in the years before the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Those suspicions burst out in the open again this week with the disclosure of a prison deposition of a former al-Qaida operative, Zacarias Moussaoui, who claimed that more than a dozen prominent Saudi figures were donors to the terror group and that a Saudi diplomat in Washington discussed with him a plot to shoot down Air Force One.

"http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/Pre-9/11-ties-haunt-Saudis-as-new-accusations-surface/articleshow/46132549.cms"

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{Politics.523.4396}: Richard Clark {cardo} Wed, 11 Feb 2015 12:12:52 EST (HTML)

"The U.S. government is continuing to protect Saudi oil gazillionaires by hiding information about their role in financing 9/11.

President George W. Bush ordered the 28 pages classified in December 2002. Senate Intelligence Committee former chair Bob Graham has ever since called Saudi Arabia "a co-conspirator in 9/11" while insisting that these pages back up that claim and should be made public.

Philip Zelikow, chair of the 9/11 Commission, has noted the "likelihood that charities with significant Saudi government sponsorship diverted funds to Al Qaeda."

Zacarias Moussaoui, a former al Qaeda member, has claimed that prominent members of Saudi Arabia's royal family were major donors to al Qaeda in the late 1990s and that he discussed a plan to shoot down Air Force One using a Stinger missile with a staff member at the Saudi Embassy in Washington.

Al Qaeda donors, according to Moussaoui, included Prince Turki al-Faisal, then the Saudi intelligence chief; Prince Bandar Bin Sultan, the longtime Saudi ambassador to the United States; Prince al-Waleed bin Talal, a prominent billionaire investor; and many of the country's leading clerics."

www.RootsAction.org

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{Politics.523.4397}: Otis Dill {Otis99} Wed, 11 Feb 2015 13:52:27 EST (2 lines)

Moussaoui's just trying to cop a plea. There is no evidence to support any
if his allegations.

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{Politics.523.4398}: Richard Clark {cardo} Wed, 11 Feb 2015 14:06:32 EST (HTML)

Then why did George W. Bush order 28 pages of the 911 report classified in December 2002? And why did Senate Intelligence Committee chair Bob Graham call Saudi Arabia "a co-conspirator in 9/11" while insisting that these 28 pages fully back up this claim and should be made public? Note: Bob Graham is one of the few members of Congress who was allowed the opportunity to read these 28 pages.

And why did Philip Zelikow, chair of the 9/11 Commission, note the "likelihood that charities with significant Saudi government sponsorship diverted funds to Al Qaeda," as stated in my last post?

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{Politics.523.4399}: Senator Lampoon {yesdeer} Wed, 11 Feb 2015 14:23:46 EST (HTML)

>Then why did George W. Bush order 28 pages of the 911 report classified in December 2002? <

Usually this happens for national security reasons. It's not as easy as you suspect for some cockamamy conspiracy theory to be a part of redaction.

>And why did Senate Intelligence Committee chair Bob Graham call Saudi Arabia "a co-conspirator in 9/11"<

These quotes about Graham seem to only appear on conspiracy sites. I think they are probably exaggerated at best.

>And why did Philip Zelikow, chair of the 9/11 Commission, note the "likelihood that charities with significant Saudi government sponsorship diverted funds to Al Qaeda," as stated in my last po<

When proof isn't available, likelihood remains a wild ass guess.

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{Politics.523.4400}: Richard Clark {cardo} Wed, 11 Feb 2015 17:53:31 EST (HTML)

Google it for crissake. It was reported by Huffington Post as well as Newmax which is a rightwing establishment site:

"http://www.newsmax.com/US/Bob-Graham-Explores-Saudi/2011/07/30/id/405405/"

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{Politics.523.4401}: Senator Lampoon {yesdeer} Wed, 11 Feb 2015 18:38:27 EST (HTML)

Well, the newsmax link doesn't say anything but speculation. I guess it's a book selling promo.

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{Politics.523.4402}: Jay Hoffman {resist} Wed, 11 Feb 2015 19:11:33 EST (3 lines)

lameturd and odious are not interested in being informed

they only care to be assholes.

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{Politics.523.4403}: Otis Dill {Otis99} Thu, 12 Feb 2015 02:29:20 EST (1 line)

Ask Obama to release those pages.

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