I invited criticism in which there would be a serious attempt to employ logic and reason. It always disappoints me when, instead of that from you, we usually get evasion, side-stepping, red herrings and purposely bolixed interpretations of what someone said, which often end the discussion -- as is your intent?

And didn't you say somewhere in your response to the scenario I laid out that the hypothetical guy who repeatedly engaged in such tactics should be thrown out? And then elsewhere you said -- didn't you? -- that you _approved_ of his tactics and thought they were warranted?

Very interesting revelation, if so.