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The ongoing war between Republican ideology and the facts |
{Politics.955.1}: Richard Clark {cardo} Fri, 17 Dec 2010 15:11:52 EST (30 lines)
Sadly, David Stockman and Alan Greenspan are just about the only voices in the Republican Party speaking the truth about the fiscal devastation wrought by the expiring Bush tax cuts. After all, the national debt tripled under Ronald Reagan, only to double again during the tenure of George W. Bush. And as it turns out, the Bush tax cut windfall for the wealthy accounted for almost half the budget deficits during his presidency and, if made permanent, would contribute more to the U.S. budget deficit than the Obama stimulus, the TARP program, the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, and revenue lost to the recession - combined. Of course, you'd never know it listening to the leaders of GOP. And that's just the beginning. Here, then, are 10 Republican Lies about the Bush tax cuts: Lie #1: Democrats Plan Across the Board Tax Hikes on January 1st Lie #2: Democrats Want a $3.8 Trillion Tax Increase Lie #3: Tax Cuts Pay for Themselves Lie #4: The Bush Tax Cuts Didn't Add to the Deficit Lie #5: Expiring High Income Tax Cuts Will Hurt Small Business Lie #6: The Estate Tax Devastates Small Businesses and Family Farms Lie #7: The Bush Tax Cuts Helped All Americans Lie #8. Extending Bush Tax Cuts for the Wealthy is the Best Way to Stimulate the Economy Lie #9. Bush Tax Cuts Produced 52 Straight Months of Job Growth Lie #10: The Rich Pay Too Much in Taxes Already Read more about each of these lies at: http://www.perrspectives.com/blog/archives/001932.htm
{Politics.955.2}: {daveinchi} Fri, 17 Dec 2010 15:16:49 EST (HTML)
{Politics.955.3}: & it's our job to turn it aroun {cardo} Fri, 17 Dec 2010 15:22:07 EST (HTML)
The modern Republican Party is utterly dedicated to the Reaganite slogan that government is always the problem, never the solution. And, therefore, we should have realized that party loyalists, confronted with facts that dont fit the slogan, would adjust the facts.
Heres an example:
The bipartisan Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission was established by law to examine the causes, domestic and global, of the current financial and economic crisis in the United States. The hope was that it would be a modern version of the Pecora investigation of the 1930s, which documented Wall Street abuses and helped pave the way for financial reform.
Instead, however, the commission has broken down along partisan lines, unable to agree on even the most basic points.
Its not as if the story of the crisis is particularly obscure. First, there was a widely spread housing bubble, not just in the United States, but in Ireland, Spain, and other countries as well. This bubble was inflated by irresponsible lending, made possible both by bank deregulation and the failure to extend regulation to shadow banks, which werent covered by traditional regulation but nonetheless engaged in banking activities and created bank-type risks.
Then the bubble burst, with hugely disruptive consequences. It turned out that Wall Street had created a web of interconnection nobody understood, so that the failure of Lehman Brothers, a medium- size investment bank, could threaten to take down the whole world financial system.
Its a straightforward story, but a story that the Republican members of the commission dont want told. Literally.
Last week, all four Republicans on the commission voted to exclude the following terms from the report: deregulation, shadow banking, interconnection, and, yes, Wall Street.
When Democratic members refused to go along with this insistence that the story of Hamlet be told without the prince, the Republicans went ahead and issued their own report, which did, indeed, avoid using any of the banned terms.
That report is all of nine pages long, with few facts and hardly any numbers. Beyond that, it tells a story that has been widely and repeatedly debunked without responding at all to the debunkers.
In the world according to the G.O.P. commissioners, its all the fault of government do-gooders, who used various levers especially Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored loan-guarantee agencies to promote loans to low-income borrowers. Wall Street I mean, the private sector erred only to the extent that it got suckered into going along with this government-created bubble.
Its hard to overstate how wrongheaded all of this is. Private players werent suckered into a government-created bubble. It was the other way around. During the peak years of housing inflation, Fannie and Freddie were pushed to the sidelines; they only got into dubious lending late in the game, as they tried to regain market share.
But the G.O.P. commissioners are just doing their job, which is to sustain the conservative narrative. And a narrative that absolves the banks of any wrongdoing, that places all the blame on meddling politicians, is especially important now that Republicans are about to take over the House.
{Politics.955.4}: Just a bit more Krugman: {cardo} Fri, 17 Dec 2010 15:24:09 EST (HTML)
He later tried to walk the remark back, but theres no question that he and his colleagues will do everything they can to block effective regulation of the people and institutions responsible for the economic nightmare of recent years. So they need a cover story saying that it was all the governments fault.
What we see here is what happens when an ideology backed by vast
wealth and immense power confronts inconvenient facts. And the answer
is, the facts lose.
{Politics.955.5}: {daveinchi} Fri, 17 Dec 2010 15:35:42 EST (HTML)
{Politics.955.6}: Richard Clark {cardo} Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:21:56 EST (HTML)
{Politics.955.7}: Colleen Nelson {cole2u} Sat, 18 Dec 2010 00:56:57 EST (HTML)
{Politics.955.8}: How? {cardo} Sat, 18 Dec 2010 15:01:26 EST (HTML)
{Politics.955.9}: Nancy Davison {nmdavison} Sat, 18 Dec 2010 15:17:28 EST (HTML)
{Politics.955.10}: Every family has its problems {cardo} Sat, 18 Dec 2010 17:42:40 EST (HTML)
I used to have political-economic debates with my sister in which she would go pale and begin to shake.
My aunt stopped talking to me and reminded my parents of my bastardly
origins after I forwarded her an email from a friend who compared the
occupants of the twin towers to little Eichmanns. I told her I
largely disagreed with the charge he made, yet it was still one of the
stupidest things I've ever done. I had forgotten that she is Jewish
and from NYC and I didn't know she had friends who died there.
{Politics.955.11}: Nancy Davison {nmdavison} Sat, 18 Dec 2010 17:47:23 EST (HTML)
And a friend of mine was talking to a friend of hers who lived in NYC. I
don't know if that was the day of or a few days after the attacks on
9/11, but my friend told her friend that she thought all the reaction
against Muslims was jingoistic. Her friend said that if she lived in NYC
she would feel quite differently and hung up on her. So, even when we
have the best of intentions.....
{Politics.955.12}: Richard Clark {cardo} Sun, 19 Dec 2010 23:03:06 EST (HTML)
{Politics.955.13}: Brian Bixby {cusco} Mon, 20 Dec 2010 00:58:25 EST (8 lines)
My dad was always interested in archeology, and one time he had a rather emphatic argument with Mom's grandmother. The Mound Builders left several monuments in the area, most notable the Long Snake Mound near Empire, MI. Great-grandma was of the opinion that the mounds had been built by the phantasmagorical 'lost tribes of Israel' (an idea she got from the Strang-ist Mormons), since the Indians were, "drunken lazy savages who would never work hard enough to build anything like that." No amount of evidence could ever convince her otherwise.
{Politics.955.14}: Richard Clark {cardo} Mon, 20 Dec 2010 09:22:43 EST (HTML)
{Politics.955.15}: Elizabeth Costello {lizcostello} Mon, 20 Dec 2010 12:18:08 EST (HTML)
The ongoing war between democrat ideology and the facts ?
{Politics.955.16}: Brian Bixby {cusco} Mon, 20 Dec 2010 12:38:19 EST (6 lines)
Actually Velikovski is the guy who proposed the bizarre idea of Mars wandering around the solar system, interacting with Earth to somehow stop the rotation of the planet and other Biblical stupidities. Can't remember the name of the guy you're actually thinking of, but know who you mean.
{Politics.955.17}: Could this be the book? {cardo} Mon, 20 Dec 2010 15:55:47 EST (HTML)
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{Politics.955.18}: Paraphrasing Krugman {cardo} Mon, 20 Dec 2010 16:01:49 EST (HTML)
* For two years we've been warned that government borrowing would send interest rates sky-high; in fact, rates have stayed consistently low by historical standards.
* For two years we've been warned that inflation, even hyperinflation, was just around the corner; instead, disinflation (deflation) has continued, albeit around a comparatively small core of inflation -- inflation that is now at a half-century low.
So why are we letting ourselves be ruled by what can only be called "zombie economics"?! (Reaganomics has been thoroughly discredited -- it's essentially dead -- yet in some sense it still rules American politics.)
Part of the answer, surely, is that people who should have been trying to slay zombie ideas have tried to compromise with them instead. And this is especially true of the president.
People tend to forget that Ronald Reagan often gave ground on policy substance -- most notably, he ended up enacting multiple tax increases. But he never, ever, wavered on ideas; he never backed down from the position that his ideology was right and his opponents were wrong.
President Obama, by contrast, has consistently tried to reach across the aisle by lending cover to right-wing myths. He praised Reagan for restoring American dynamism -- and when was the last time you heard a Republican praising F.D.R.? Obama even adopted G.O.P. rhetoric about the need for the government to tighten its belt, even in the face of recession. He went so far as to offer (symbolic) freezes on spending and federal wages, for godsake.
Quite incredibly, however, none of this stopped the right from denouncing him as a socialist! And it helped empower bad ideas, zombie ideas, in ways that did immediate harm.
"http://www.opednews.com/articles/The-continuing-hold-of-fai-by-
Richard-Clark-101220-444.html"
{Politics.955.19}: Velikovsky {tonu} Mon, 20 Dec 2010 16:09:54 EST (3 lines)
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{Politics.955.20}: Reagan's Real Legacy {cardo} Mon, 20 Dec 2010 17:19:03 EST (HTML)
As the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities reported in 1984, "Low- income programs were reduced more than twice as deeply (in proportionate terms) as social programs not concentrated on the poor. Overall, the low-income programs bore nearly one-third of all cuts made anywhere in the federal government even though they constitute less than one-tenth of the budget. No other part of the federal budget was cut so deeply."
The Urban Institute also noted: "Because of the president's emphasis on self- sufficiency and productivity, the administration might have been expected to give some emphasis to human resource programs (education and training, public service employment, nutrition programs, Medicaid and social services) as a means of addressing poverty and welfare dependency. Instead, these were the very programs in which the administration generally proposed the deepest cuts."
Early in his first term, Reagan ordered some of his toughest budget cuts in Medicaid, food stamps, aid to families with dependent children, and other programs that were badly needed by large numbers of lower-income families, Black and White.
To make matters worse for workers and families, Reagan also put an end to the Comprehensive Employment and Training Act, which threw 400,000 people into unemployment lines. He cut Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC), putting another 500,000 people out looking for jobs. He reduced spending for Housing and Urban Development, which drastically reduced affordable housing and triggered the increases in poverty, hunger and homelessness that have continued to the present day.
(The above was quoted from the book, Reagan's Real Legacy.)
{Politics.955.21}: Tesla compared to Velikovsky {cardo} Mon, 20 Dec 2010 17:22:32 EST (HTML)
{Politics.955.22}: Brian Bixby {cusco} Mon, 20 Dec 2010 19:04:26 EST (1 line)
On the other hand, in many respects he WAS a nutcake . . .
{Politics.955.23}: Nancy Davison {nmdavison} Mon, 20 Dec 2010 20:01:54 EST (HTML)
{Politics.955.24}: Richard Clark {cardo} Mon, 20 Dec 2010 21:28:09 EST (HTML)
{Politics.955.25}: Lost in thought. {cardo} Mon, 20 Dec 2010 21:29:24 EST (1 line)
One kind of nutcake.
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