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WHO DUMBS WHO ?

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{Politics.690.219}: Richard Clark {cardo} Wed, 09 Apr 2014 16:52:31 EDT (HTML)

"What the [Wall Street] bailout does is it takes troubled financial instruments off the balance sheet of the banks and puts them on the balance sheet of the taxpayer at the US Treasury. So it's a bailout of the financial institutions whose recklessness caused the problem. The money is essentially being poured into the coffers of Washington's financial donor base."

--Paul Craig Roberts

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{Politics.690.220}: Richard Clark {cardo} Wed, 09 Apr 2014 18:57:42 EDT (HTML)

"The upper spheres of Wall Street overshadow the real economy. The accumulation of large amounts of money wealth by a handful of Wall Street conglomerates and their associated hedge funds is reinvested in the acquisition of real assets. Paper wealth is transformed into the ownership and control of real productive assets, including industry, services, natural resources and infrastructure."

-- Andrew Gavin Marshall, Global Research

"I am afraid the ordinary citizen will not like to be told that the banks can and do create money. And they who control the credit of the nation direct the policy of Governments and hold in the hollow of their hand the destiny of the people."

--Reginald McKenna, as Chairman of the Midland Bank, addressing stockholders in 1924

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and money system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."\

-- Henry Ford, founder of the Ford Motor Company

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{Politics.690.221}: Senator Lampoon {yesdeer} Wed, 09 Apr 2014 22:23:47 EDT (HTML)

It was Obama's guy who set and continued the QE rant under the guise of reducing unemployment. All your links and quotes supporting some other motive is simply not the official lie on the matter. It was Obama's way of putting the country another trillion or so in debt without going to congress.

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{Politics.690.222}: Richard Clark {cardo} Thu, 10 Apr 2014 08:30:02 EDT (1 line)

That's the tantrum?  Why call it that?

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{Politics.690.223}: Senator Lampoon {yesdeer} Thu, 10 Apr 2014 10:59:22 EDT (HTML)

Because that's what it was.

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{Politics.690.224}: Richard Clark {cardo} Thu, 10 Apr 2014 20:23:14 EDT (HTML)

One of your famous non-answer answers?

It reminds me of your famous non-answer when asked about why America can't accomplish some of the same things that Scandinavian countries have: "it's because we're not Scandanavia."

Are you just intellectually lazy or what?

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{Politics.690.225}: Senator Lampoon {yesdeer} Thu, 10 Apr 2014 23:58:16 EDT (HTML)

I gave you exactly what I meant and you are attempting to pretend dumb.

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{Politics.690.226}: Richard Clark {cardo} Fri, 11 Apr 2014 11:16:45 EDT (6 lines)

Nonsense;  that response is nothing more than an excuse for being
intellectually lazy.  My guess is that you sense (accurately) that if
you were to provide us with a more detailed explanation, you would
find yourself having to deal with a goodly amount of well founded
criticism.  And being intellectually lazy and unadventurous, you come
up with a pat little excuse to sidestep it.

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{Politics.690.227}: Senator Lampoon {yesdeer} Fri, 11 Apr 2014 11:56:37 EDT (HTML)

Your sense is nonsense. I provided you a link. The QE rant had nothing to do with unemployment, but that's how it was sold. Obama's response to being told he couldn't spend out of control was to find a way to spend out of control.

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{Politics.690.228}: Richard Clark {cardo} Fri, 11 Apr 2014 15:22:58 EDT (HTML)

Yes he backed QE. And yes he inaccurately claimed that it would help provide jobs for people -- and maybe it did insofar as it kept the stock market alive and thriving. But I agree with you (if this is what you are saying) that there would have been far better ways to increase employment and provide more jobs. But I still don't get your use of the word 'tantrum.' In my opinion he should have been allowed to spend far more on the stimulus and he had good reason to be pissed off that such spending was not allowed. And yes he expressed his disappointment re: that, and blamed those (in the House) who were largely responsible for this restriction, which ended up keeping millions of people unemployed who could have been given good jobs had the stimulus been larger and properly invested and/or spent. But to use the word 'tantrum' makes it sound like his expression of disappointment and his readiness to assign blame was somehow childish or silly, which it certainly was not.

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{Politics.690.229}: Senator Lampoon {yesdeer} Fri, 11 Apr 2014 23:21:17 EDT (HTML)

>But I still don't get your use of the word 'tantrum.'<

Not my problem.

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{Politics.690.230}: Richard Clark {cardo} Sat, 12 Apr 2014 11:57:08 EDT (1 line)

Intellectual laziness.

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{Politics.690.231}: Senator Lampoon {yesdeer} Sat, 12 Apr 2014 14:12:56 EDT (HTML)

Just laziness on your part.

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{Politics.690.232}: Gradeschool tit for tat {cardo} Sat, 12 Apr 2014 15:46:51 EDT (1 line)

"I know you are, but what am I?"

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{Politics.690.233}: {resist} Mon, 14 Apr 2014 17:56:58 EDT (0 lines)
{erased by resist Mon, 14 Apr 2014 17:57:22 EDT}

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{Politics.690.234}: {resist} Mon, 14 Apr 2014 17:59:10 EDT (0 lines)
{erased by resist Mon, 14 Apr 2014 17:59:37 EDT}

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{Politics.690.235}: Jay Hoffman {resist} Mon, 14 Apr 2014 18:06:57 EDT (22 lines)

Forum guidelines:

Please make every effort to treat fellow patrons in a friendly manner,
and to address the content of others' posts, as opposed to the
individuals who created it. . . . . . .

Moderators should set the best example of living up to the guidelines.

Calling Richard a racist and a slave is not in good form.

Making bizarre statements of "fact" with absolutely no effort to back
them up with any research or logic is a terrible example to set as a
moderator.

When challenged to back up such assertions there is never any effort
by her to do do.

Yes, all liberals are liars, yes we are living in an ice age, … most
statements on issues coming from the moderator are baseless.

This is not a good way to have a "fair" exchange of ideas from people
with different views.

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{Politics.690.236}: Senator Lampoon {yesdeer} Mon, 14 Apr 2014 18:36:37 EDT (HTML)

Practice what you preach.

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{Politics.690.237}: Jay Hoffman {resist} Mon, 14 Apr 2014 18:58:15 EDT (8 lines)

Yes, what I posted also goes for you.

You make no effort to "treat fellow patrons in a friendly manner,
and to address the content of others' posts, as opposed to the
individuals who created it."

Please stop ad hominem attacks on other people that post and stop your
trolling behavior.

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{Politics.690.238}: Senator Lampoon {yesdeer} Mon, 14 Apr 2014 19:54:33 EDT (HTML)

>You make no effort to "treat fellow patrons in a friendly manner, and to address the content of others' posts, as opposed to the individuals who created it."<

That is a lie.

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{Politics.690.239}: Jay Hoffman {resist} Mon, 14 Apr 2014 20:13:35 EDT (2 lines)

If there is effort on your part it is minimal. Mostly you are name-
calling.

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{Politics.690.240}: Senator Lampoon {yesdeer} Mon, 14 Apr 2014 20:44:32 EDT (HTML)

That's a lie.

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{Politics.690.241}: Richard Clark {cardo} Mon, 14 Apr 2014 22:44:55 EDT (2 lines)

Jay, your points are very well taken.  But our rightwing friends have
a hard time facing up to such facts.

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{Politics.690.242}: Elizabeth Costello {lizcostello} Tue, 15 Apr 2014 09:30:53 EDT (1 line)

You reap what you sow.

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{Politics.690.243}: Jay Hoffman {resist} Tue, 15 Apr 2014 20:34:39 EDT (1 line)

Yes, that definitely will happen in your case.

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