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Remember The Poor


{Politics.143.850}: Elizabeth Costello {lizcostello} Thu, 08 May 2014 13:33:38 EDT (1 line)

Tom is incredibly jealous and it shows.


{Politics.143.851}: Richard Clark {cardo} Thu, 08 May 2014 17:18:37 EDT (HTML)

Excerpt from the great Robert Reich article Jay linked us to upthread:

"Three of my colleagues here at the University of California at Berkeley — Arindrajit Dube, T. William Lester, and Michael Reich – have compared adjacent counties and communities across the United States, some with higher minimum wages than others but similar in every other way.

They found no loss of jobs in those with the higher minimums.

The truth is, America’s lurch toward widening inequality can be reversed. But doing so will require bold political steps.

At the least, the rich must pay higher taxes in order to pay for better-quality education for kids from poor and middle-class families. Labor unions must be strengthened, especially in lower-wage occupations, in order to give workers the bargaining power they need to get better pay. And the minimum wage must be raised.

Don’t listen to the right-wing lies about inequality. Know the truth, and act on it."


And don't forget what Marc said:

"If you want to use the "unofficial" unemployment rate (the U6) rate that includes discouraged and other marginally attached workers and ALL THE FACTS associated with those numbers, that rate now stands at 12.3%; it was over 17% when Bush left office."

So thanks for helping to lower the total unemployment rate, Obie. Too bad the Repugs in the House wouldn't let you quadruple the size of the stimulus like you wanted, for that would have allowed us to put lots more Americans back to work.


{Politics.143.852}: John Spencer {sobeit} Thu, 08 May 2014 17:46:16 EDT (3 lines)

The last time Tom hung out with a 12 year old he was arrested.

(just kidding Tom)


{Politics.143.853}: Elizabeth Costello {lizcostello} Thu, 08 May 2014 20:19:34 EDT (1 line)

Oh, I'm not so sure...


{Politics.143.854}: Tom Austin {taustin} Thu, 08 May 2014 22:35:59 EDT (1 line)

Like fighting a drunk in a dark room.


{Politics.143.855}: John Spencer {sobeit} Fri, 09 May 2014 02:34:53 EDT (1 line)

Liberals should remember the poor, you made most of them.


{Politics.143.856}: Elizabeth Costello {lizcostello} Fri, 09 May 2014 08:02:59 EDT (4 lines)

I think they made all of them.

According to John Kerry the terrorists of Boko Haram would not have
burned boys and sold girls if they had flat screen TV's.


{Politics.143.857}: How to fix the economy {cardo} Fri, 09 May 2014 10:25:27 EDT (HTML)

One year ago the Digital Learning Alliance (DLA) kicked off a nationwide campaign to help fix our economic (and unemployment) woes.

"The DLA solution: tap into the managerial savvy and the engineering know-how to be found at some of America's most successful, blue-chip digital technology and education companies (IBM, McGraw-Hill Education and Follett Corporation, among several others) in order to help all of America's schools (kindergarten through college) build the kind of truly effective, state-of-the-art education technology programs that can best help students succeed. These programs, when effectively implemented, will help lessen the workload of teachers and make them more effective at educating students with 24x7 metrics, intervention, and instructional support.

At the DLA, operated by retired leaders in education and technology, the energizing motto is crystal-clear: "Education IS Economics!"

Says DLA co-founder and president Dane Goodfellow, a former longtime executive at IBM and a nationally recognized expert in digital learning, "There's no doubt that America's current inability to drive consistent economic growth hinges primarily on our inability to train skilled high-tech workers who can compete in the global economy.

"To solve that problem, we have to completely transform the way in which schools use state-of-the-art technology tools to educate the workers of tomorrow."

While pointing to a recent Harvard University study showing that American public school students currently trail 31 countries in math proficiency and 16 in reading proficiency, Goodfellow cites a study which warns that by 2020, more than 80 million workers will be unqualified for the high skill jobs of the 21st century and could go unfilled in the U.S. -- simply because American workers don't have the high-tech skills required for them."



{Politics.143.858}: Senator Lampoon {yesdeer} Fri, 09 May 2014 13:52:09 EDT (HTML)

Why Unions Support Minimum Wage Hikes

May 9, 2014

Unions stand to see wage increases if the federal minimum wage rises to $10.10 per hour, according to a report from Townhall.

President Obama is urging a minimum wage increase on the grounds that "our economy works best when it works for all of us -- not just a fortunate few." But as research indicates, a wage increase would hurt the economy and destroy jobs:

A recent report from The Lucas Group found that one-third of small and medium-sized businesses would see their hiring plans negatively affected by the 40 percent wage increase. Consumers would also be impacted by rising prices.

According to the Wall Street Journal, almost 40 percent of businesses would have to fire employees if the minimum wage is raised to $10.10 per hour.

The Congressional Budget Office reports that up to 1 million jobs could be lost if the minimum wage increase passes.

But who would gain from the wage hike? Unions. Unions already make substantially more than the current minimum wage, but many union contracts set baseline union wages at a certain percentage above the minimum wage. Therefore, if the federal minimum wage is increased, union wages would also increase.

Higher union wages also mean higher dues. While businesses are forced to slow down hiring and lay off workers when the minimum wage rises, unions see more money and their workers receive higher wages.

Source: Fred Wszolek, "The Real Reason Big Labor Wants a Minimum Wage Hike,", May 6, 2014.


{Politics.143.859}: Richard Clark {cardo} Fri, 09 May 2014 18:58:48 EDT (HTML)

America Is Declining at the Same Warp Speed That is Minting Billionaires and Destroying the Middle Class. And not a single U.S. city ranks among the world’s most livable cities.

“The game is rigged,” writes Senator Elizabeth Warren in her new book A Fighting Chance. It’s rigged because the rich and their lobbyists have rigged the rules of the game to their favor. The rules are reflected in a tax code and bankruptcy laws that have seen the greatest transfer of wealth from the middle class to the rich in U.S. history.

The result?

America has the most billionaires in the world, but not a single U.S. city ranks among the world’s most livable cities. Not a single U.S. airport is among the top 100 airports in the world. Our bridges, roads and rails are falling apart, and our middle class is being gutted out thanks to three decades of stagnant wages, while the top 1 percent enjoys 95 percent of all economic gains.

A rigged tax code and a bloated military budget are starving the federal and state governments of the revenue it needs to invest in infrastructure, which means today America looks increasingly like a Third World nation, and now new data shows America’s intellectual resources are also in decline.

For the past three decades, the Republican Party has waged a dangerous assault on the very idea of public education. Tax cuts for the rich have been balanced with spending cuts to education. During the New Deal era of the 1940s to 1970s, public schools were the great leveler of America. They were our great achievement. It was universal education for all, but today it’s education for those fortunate enough to be born into wealthy families or live in wealthy school districts. The right’s strategy of defunding public education leaves parents with the option of sending their kids to a for-profit school or a theological school that teaches kids our ancestors kept dinosaurs as pets.

Consider this recent report by the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), which is the first comprehensive survey of the skills adults need to work in today’s world, in literacy, numeracy and technology proficiency. The results are terrifying. According to the report, 36 million American adults have low skills.

It gets worse. In two of the three categories tested, numeracy and technological proficiency, young Americans who are on the cusp of entering the workforce—ages 16 to 24—rank dead last, and is third from the bottom in numeracy for 16- to 65-year-olds.

The United States has a wide gap between its best performers and its worst performers. And it had the widest gap in scores between people with rich, educated parents and poor, undereducated parents, which is exactly what Third World countries look like, i.e. a highly educated super class at the top and a highly undereducated underclass at the bottom, with very little in the middle.


Good work, Republicans.


{Politics.143.860}: Glen Marks {wotan} Mon, 12 May 2014 21:20:56 EDT (4 lines)

Social Security rips off poor:



{Politics.143.861}: Keith Rice {justinthyme} Mon, 12 May 2014 21:24:42 EDT (HTML)

The poor aren't poor because of the rich, that's just Marxist bullshit.


{Politics.143.862}: Jay Hoffman {resist} Mon, 12 May 2014 21:44:28 EDT (11 lines)

Income inequality and wealth distribution are two different concepts,
in that income inequality focuses exclusively on the income side of
the equation while wealth distribution looks at how the ownership of
assets in a given society is shared among its members. However, both
measures help chart the economic gap within a country's wealthiest and
poorest citizens. Over the last ten years, economic inequality has
been growing, particularly in developed countries where, historically,
it had been more contained. 



{Politics.143.863}: Richard Clark {cardo} Mon, 12 May 2014 22:04:12 EDT (HTML)

<<< The poor aren't poor because of the rich, that's just Marxist bullshit. >>>

Post:859 explains you're wrong about that, Keith. But if you think Thom Hartman is mistaken about anything he says in that post, please explain to us why you feel that way.


{Politics.143.864}: Elizabeth Costello {lizcostello} Tue, 13 May 2014 07:50:00 EDT (2 lines)

Why should he explain Richard.  You don't listen.  You are incapable
of having a discussion.  And when you are caught you get nasty.


{Politics.143.865}: Senator Lampoon {yesdeer} Tue, 13 May 2014 10:39:45 EDT (HTML)

Thom Hartman is a rich guy who sells blather to the poor neighbor kids for a profit.


{Politics.143.866}: Keith Rice {justinthyme} Tue, 13 May 2014 11:13:16 EDT (HTML)

Yes, but he's a revered Priest of Leftist thinking. I've tried listening to him on occasion, and he's got a great persona, but his beliefs are mired in religious type assumptions that any honest person would subject to more scrutiny.


{Politics.143.867}: Richard Clark {cardo} Sat, 17 May 2014 21:52:32 EDT (1 line)

Such as?


{Politics.143.868}: Rightwingnutjobs can KMA {resist} Sun, 18 May 2014 01:06:54 EDT (3 lines)

Fungus mouth's favorite word is blather. The word excites the phlegm
fizzing in his nasal cavities which then stuffs up his sinuses and
lather up his brain cavity.


{Politics.143.869}: Glen Marks {wotan} Sun, 18 May 2014 11:25:04 EDT (6 lines)

- I was just very interested in the American frontier and the growth of
capitalism - those enormous fortunes that were being made, more often
than not, on the blood of poor people, black people, Indian people.
They were the ones who paid very dearly for those great fortunes.

Peter Matthiessen: 1927-2014


{Politics.143.870}: Jay Hoffman {resist} Fri, 06 Jun 2014 16:42:04 EDT (28 lines)

Seattle Is Right
By Robert Reich

By raising its minimum wage to $15, Seattle is leading a long-overdue
movement toward a living wage. Most minimum wage workers aren’t
teenagers these days. They’re major breadwinners who need a higher
minimum wage in order to keep their families out of poverty.

Across America, the ranks of the working poor are growing. While low-
paying industries such as retail and food preparation accounted for 22
percent of the jobs lost in the Great Recession, they’ve generated 44
percent of the jobs added since then, according to a recent report
from the National Employment Law Project. Last February, the
Congressional Budget Office estimated that raising the national
minimum wage from $7.25 to $10.10 would lift 900,000 people out of

The gains from a higher minimum wage extend beyond those who receive
it. More money in the pockets of low-wage workers means more sales,
especially in the locales they live in – which in turn creates faster
growth and more jobs. A major reason the current economic recovery is
anemic is that so many Americans lack the purchasing power to get the
economy moving again.

With a higher minimum wage, moreover, we’d all end up paying less for
Medicaid, food stamps and other assistance the working poor now need
in order to have a minimally decent standard of living.


{Politics.143.871}: Senator Lampoon {yesdeer} Fri, 06 Jun 2014 16:56:56 EDT (HTML)

I think paying less for food stamps is a fair trade for pay $3 more for a Big Mac.


{Politics.143.872}: Jay Hoffman {resist} Fri, 06 Jun 2014 17:10:04 EDT (1 line)

you think - not likely


{Politics.143.873}: Keith Rice {justinthyme} Fri, 06 Jun 2014 17:48:15 EDT (HTML)

{869} Glen, yet all these "vicitms" have also, somehow, managed to improve their lives under capitalism.


{Politics.143.874}: Jay Hoffman {resist} Fri, 06 Jun 2014 18:00:44 EDT (1 line)

how long have you been a moron … keith?


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