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Remember The Poor

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{Politics.143.1012}: Richard Clark {cardo} Mon, 02 Feb 2015 23:08:43 EST (1 line)

Without that tactic, he would be dead in the water.

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{Politics.143.1013}: Richard Clark {cardo} Mon, 02 Feb 2015 23:09:19 EST (1 line)

But he can't comprehend that.

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{Politics.143.1014}: Senator Lampoon {yesdeer} Mon, 02 Feb 2015 23:12:35 EST (HTML)

I've shown you clowns that poverty levels have flatlined over the last 40 years. Your personal attacks are simply a reflection of your inability to hold up your end of the conversation. You guys got nothing, again, and this time it's a repeat performance.

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{Politics.143.1015}: Marc S {marc_dc} Mon, 02 Feb 2015 23:16:20 EST (1 line)

A childish tantrum this time?

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{Politics.143.1016}: Senator Lampoon {yesdeer} Mon, 02 Feb 2015 23:18:08 EST (HTML)

Your mom's calling you for nappy time.

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{Politics.143.1017}: Marc S {marc_dc} Mon, 02 Feb 2015 23:22:12 EST (1 line)

More childish antics?

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{Politics.143.1018}: Senator Lampoon {yesdeer} Mon, 02 Feb 2015 23:59:03 EST (HTML)

Of course, Mr. Adult.

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{Politics.143.1019}: Bloviation T. Cornpone {oldman} Tue, 03 Feb 2015 08:50:03 EST (88 lines)

The right wing religious answer might look like this:

Answers
By Billy Graham   •   December 13, 2006   •   Topics: Social Justice

Q:
Is it true that Jesus said we will always have poverty in the world?
What did He mean by that? Does this mean we shouldn't even try to help
people who are poor? I thought Christians were supposed to help people
in need.
A:

You’re probably thinking of Jesus’ words in John 12:8: “You will
always have the poor among you, but you will not always have me.” His
words were directed at Judas (who would soon betray Him), admonishing
him because he was more interested in getting money for himself than
in serving Jesus.

But Jesus wasn’t saying we shouldn’t fight poverty or help those in
need–not at all. He was only giving a description of the way the world
actually is, not the way it should be. The Bible repeatedly commands
us to help the needy, and condemns those who take advantage of the
poor. God told His people in the Old Testament, “I command you to be
openhanded toward … the poor and needy in your land” (Deuteronomy
15:11). Jesus told His disciples to “Sell your possessions and give to
the poor” (Luke 12:33).

You and I live in the most prosperous society the world has ever
seen–and yet hunger, homelessness and poverty are still a tragic
reality for millions every day. At least half the world’s population
lives on the edge of survival because of the effects of poverty. How
can we remain indifferent to their plight?

Ask God to show you ways you can help those whose lives are crushed by
poverty. In addition, don’t forget the greatest poverty of all–which
is poverty of soul. Is Christ the center of your life, and are you
seeking to tell others about the peace and joy He brings to all who
open their hearts to Him?

"http://billygraham.org/answer/is-it-true-that-jesus-said-we-will-always-have-poverty-in-the-world/"

The current political answer looks more like this:

A Republican War on Poverty
The myth about the uncaring GOP is being debunked again.
By
Gary MacDougal
Sept. 15, 2014 7:13 p.m. ET
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These and other Republican principles are forming a framework that
could provide the basis for bipartisan reform. While some principles
may appear obvious, applying them will require profound changes in the
complex human-services systems:

• Helping people move from dependency to self-sufficiency should be
the primary focus of the safety net. It has long been proven that work
is at the heart of a happy life, so a work-centered system is in
everybody's interest.

• Making work pay well enough that it is more valuable than benefits
is essential—a common-sense idea frequently violated by the often
dysfunctional network of current programs built up over the years.
Working more hours or getting a raise shouldn't set Americans back
financially, but it often does because of government benefits'
perverse incentives.

• Passionate pursuit of equal opportunity—not equal outcomes—should
guide reform efforts. This focus avoids the complex and unproductive
income-inequality battleground, allowing policy makers to move ahead
to aid the poor without getting bogged down in the separate subject of
tax reform.

• Many government programs should be combined, providing help to a
family in need in a holistic way. This includes linking the programs
to communities and the private sector, especially churches and
employers. Often they are in the best position to provide help on
employment and cultural issues—including teen parenting, absentee
fathers, drugs and ex-offender re-entry—that are part of the poverty
equation.

• Finally, outcomes must be measured wherever possible, with the
gold-standard question being: "Did this effort change lives for the
better and lead to self-sufficiency?" At present many programs are
poorly measured or not measured at all.

"http://www.wsj.com/articles/gary-macdougal-a-new-republican-war-on-poverty-1410822789"

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{Politics.143.1020}: Elizabeth Costello {lizcostello} Tue, 03 Feb 2015 09:04:15 EST (8 lines)

Richard,

That is why we should split the country in 2 - there will be no
"republican blockage" and you can pass 100% of whatever you want - a
gigantic stimulus, single payer, higher teacher's pay, bigger
entitlements, tax the rich 99% - the sky is the limit.

Why wouldn't you support that?

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{Politics.143.1021}: Marc S {marc_dc} Tue, 03 Feb 2015 09:04:52 EST (1 line)

What a stupid idea.

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{Politics.143.1022}: Richard Clark {cardo} Tue, 03 Feb 2015 11:01:59 EST (HTML)

Give us Texas and you can take all the other southern states and go to hell right along with them, Liz. (Of course I'm just speaking impulsively, but those are my true sentiments. The southern states take more from the federal government, and pay less in taxes than the northern states. So I say, set them free. Turn it into a Republican Paradise, and when it crashes and burns, and they learn their lesson, perhaps let them back into the Union.)

As for the "Republican War on Poverty," what a goddam joke. Talk about a puff piece full of generalities and vague statements, this article takes the cake. Nothing specific or concrete in it whatsoever, is there?

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{Politics.143.1023}: Elizabeth Costello {lizcostello} Tue, 03 Feb 2015 12:23:01 EST (1 line)

Okay you take Texas and we'll take CA.  You will have to move.

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{Politics.143.1024}: Richard Clark {cardo} Tue, 03 Feb 2015 21:26:22 EST (1 line)

Californians would never permit it, as you well know.

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{Politics.143.1025}: Otis Dill {Otis99} Wed, 04 Feb 2015 02:10:22 EST (1 line)

Too many hippies there

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{Politics.143.1026}: Elizabeth Costello {lizcostello} Wed, 04 Feb 2015 08:04:55 EST (3 lines)

Texas would never permit it either.  Clearly you are not a serious
negotiator.  That makes no sense if you believe the policies you
espouse would work.

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{Politics.143.1027}: Richard Clark {cardo} Wed, 04 Feb 2015 13:15:46 EST (1 line)

Please explain.  What you said is not clear.

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{Politics.143.1028}: Elizabeth Costello {lizcostello} Wed, 04 Feb 2015 16:10:11 EST (1 line)

What don't you understand RIchard?

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{Politics.143.1029}: Richard Clark {cardo} Wed, 04 Feb 2015 18:45:44 EST (4 lines)

You're stalling for time and/or trying to evade a real answerl

Frankly I have no idea what you're trying to say.  So I understand
none of it.

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{Politics.143.1030}: Elizabeth Costello {lizcostello} Wed, 04 Feb 2015 19:09:05 EST (2 lines)

You never understand any of "it" Richard.  If it doesn't fit into your
talking points, you don't get anything.

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{Politics.143.1031}: Richard Clark {cardo} Wed, 04 Feb 2015 19:20:42 EST (1 line)

A bullshit reply.

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{Politics.143.1032}: Glen Marks {wotan} Thu, 26 Feb 2015 20:42:10 EST (4 lines)

- Time was when genius was more precious than gold, but now to have
nothing is monstrous barbarism.

Ovid

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{Politics.143.1033}: {resist} Fri, 27 Feb 2015 02:50:02 EST (0 lines)
{erased by resist Fri, 27 Feb 2015 02:50:17 EST}

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{Politics.143.1034}: Jay Hoffman {resist} Fri, 27 Feb 2015 03:54:22 EST (2 lines)

Rightwingnut asswipes are elitist loudmouth conservative parasitical
scum.

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{Politics.143.1035}: Senator Lampoon {yesdeer} Fri, 27 Feb 2015 10:25:37 EST (HTML)

Leftwing assclowns are elitist bovine liberal blood sucking turd breaths.

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{Politics.143.1036}: Richard Clark {cardo} Fri, 27 Feb 2015 12:39:06 EST (1 line)

Is that what you guys think of as a productive conversation?

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