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Air to ground, ground to air

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{Photography.75.1}: {booda} Tue, 09 Nov 2004 16:57:50 EST (0 lines)
{erased by coyote Tue, 09 Nov 2004 18:43:12 EST}

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{Photography.75.2}: {booda} Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:02:08 EST (0 lines)
{erased by coyote Tue, 09 Nov 2004 18:43:23 EST}

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{Photography.75.3}: {booda} Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:07:51 EST (0 lines)
{erased by coyote Tue, 09 Nov 2004 18:43:35 EST}

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{Photography.75.4}: David {david} Tue, 09 Nov 2004 18:08:17 EST (6 lines)

You've been long needing a place of your own, Booda.  I'd just like
to suggest that you keep the photos to a size that we don't have to
scroll all over the see the whole thing.

Cuz you have some dang good shots, and an obvious opportunity to
take more excellent shots as you go along.

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{Photography.75.5}: Coyote {coyote} Tue, 09 Nov 2004 18:55:25 EST (9 lines)

Martin, I had to erase your photos because the do-able file size
here is a maximum of 100 k. 50k is preferable. Try to imagine
someone with a dial-up connection waiting for just one
multi-megabyte image to load, let alone three of them.

Size your images so they're no wider than 10 inches and/or no
taller than 7 inches at 72 dpi (approximately 700 pixels by 500
pixels at 72 dpi). One of the images you posted was something
like 23 inches wide at 300 dpi, with a whopping 11 meg file size.

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{Photography.75.6}: Paddrick Mackin {paddrick} Tue, 09 Nov 2004 22:26:52 EST (8 lines)

Howdy Martin.  Looking forward to seeing some of your photos.  I
don't know what you digital darkroom skill level is, but you need
some kind of photo editing program to (1) resize your photos to the
size suggested by Coyote, and (2) compress them in a jpeg format to
around 50k, give or take.

Let us know if you need any hand holding and one of us can exchange
emails with you off forum.

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{Photography.75.7}: Martin Booda {booda} Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:08:32 EST (5 lines)

Like I said David, Coyote and Paddrick (unfortunately, I said it in a
post that's since been erased), once I get on the Forum panel and can
attach the images, I'll be glad to limit the size and specs to
whatever's dictated/suggested by the guidelines.  I'm quite capable of
doing so.

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{Photography.75.8}: Coyote {coyote} Wed, 10 Nov 2004 11:52:41 EST (1 line)

If you are capable of resizing, why did you post the mega pix?

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{Photography.75.9}: Martin Booda {booda} Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:09:35 EST (14 lines)

Basically, because I was using method 1 outlined in
({Photography.12.26}).  Nowhere within the description of method 1 is
it even suggested that there be any limit to the dimensions or file
size of any posted image, as long as that image is hosted on one's own
server.  Only in method 2 is it required to limit file
sizes/dimensions before attaching an image.  If this is not the case,
I'd suggest that that {Photography.12.26} be re-written to reflect
tacit understanding.

As I've said, repeatedly now, once I get into the Panel, I am more
than willing and able to resize images to satisfy the indicated
maximum dimensions (10 inches wide, 7 inches high at 72 dpi) and file
sizes (50K or 100K, depending on who you listen to).  Obviously, I
can't reduce images already posted and erased; that much is moot.

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{Photography.75.10}: Coyote {coyote} Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:34:07 EST (1 line)

But you *can* upload smaller, resized images from your server.

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{Photography.75.11}: Martin Booda {booda} Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:35:34 EST (1 line)

To a very limited and rapidly shrinking extent, yes.

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{Photography.75.12}: Coyote {coyote} Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:41:55 EST (2 lines)

You might take a look at Photo Bucket. It's a free, photo hosting
site that allows you to direct link: www.photobucket.com

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{Photography.75.13}: {booda} Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:47:56 EST (0 lines)
{erased by booda Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:50:36 EST}

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{Photography.75.14}: Diane Hamilton {dianeh} Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:47:23 EST (1 line)

So what does "Air to ground, ground to air" mean?

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{Photography.75.15}: Coyote {coyote} Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:02:12 EST (2 lines)

The three erased images were photos taken of, and from, hot air
balloons.

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{Photography.75.16}: T.J. McGovern {tj2} Wed, 10 Nov 2004 20:47:37 EST (HTML)

Nowhere within the description of method 1 is it even suggested that there be any limit to the dimensions or file size of any posted image, as long as that image is hosted on one's own server.

He has a point.

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{Photography.75.17}: Coyote {coyote} Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:44:59 EST (1 line)

True. That needs to be changed.

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{Photography.75.18}: Kai Hagen {kai} Thu, 11 Nov 2004 01:09:47 EST (HTML)

Martin has a point in the sense that we didn't specifically ask people not to post giant files. And it can't hurt to add a sentence.

But that will be adding a sentence to cover something that hasn't been a problem yet because of common sense and basic netiquette,

And that is that you don't place huge images (or whatever) on pages that people download without advance warning (generally including a notice of the filesize). The only ways to do that here are to post a link to the offsite image, without embedding it, or to embed the offsite image in a hidden post, with a description and filesize warning in the previous unhidden post. (Hidden posts like that also mean people only open/ download one post, and likely one image, at a time.)

I'd be happy to give you the ability to attach posts, Martin, if you can acknowledge you understand/appreciate the thinking in the previous paragraph and you meet the other criteria I explain to folks - that you are and will be a participant in the forum (which includes reading and responding beyond posting your own images).

No need for any problems here.

Hang around. Consider yourself welcome. Assume we'd love to see some of your ballooning images. Participate in the life of the forum for a bit. During that time, embed a few user-friendly images (which can be placed on all sorts of free spaces). And then, as an active member of the forum's community, and with the ability to attach files directly, post plenty of web-friendly versions of your better images without worrying about how much server space you have elsewhere.

I also recommend that such images (offisite and attached) be placed in a new topic, and that we freeze or delete this one after we've seen this discussion through.

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{Photography.75.19}: Martin Booda {booda} Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:21:37 EST (20 lines)

> But that will be adding a sentence

So, in order to explain why you want to avoid the immense effort of
adding one sentence, you posted sixteen of them in {Photography.75.18}?

> I'd be happy to give you the ability to attach posts, Martin, if you
can acknowledge you understand/appreciate the thinking in the previous
paragraph and you meet the other criteria I explain to folks - that
you are and will be a participant in the forum (which includes reading
and responding beyond posting your own images).

I so acknowledge.

> I also recommend that such images (offisite and attached) be placed
in a new topic, and that we freeze or delete this one after we've seen
this discussion through.

Whatever you want.  I wouldn't want you to go to all the trouble of
adding a new topic, considering all the trouble involved in adding one
sentence.

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{Photography.75.20}: Kai Hagen {kai} Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:46:40 EST (HTML)

Your pointed sarcasm is not welcome here, Martin.

If you want to be a participant in the forum, you'll need to restrain that urge, at least insofar as it is directed at people here.

And for what it's worth, I didn't suggest adding a sentence was unwarranted or difficult. I was simply pointing out that it hadn't been necessary because it is common sense or basic netiquette...and that you should have known that.

I'll add you to the panel, and I look forward to seeing your ballooning images and to your participation beyond that.

But, please don't push things. We had virtually no problems in this forum. It's a pleasant and welcoming space. And it's going to stay that way.

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{Photography.75.21}: David {david} Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:39:59 EST (10 lines)

If you think about it, it might be unreasonable to try to put a
sentence in there for *everything* that's not allowed.  There's
nothing that forbids posting pornography, is there?  Animal
mutilations?  And who knows what other things someone could
say, "Well it wasn't *specifically* forbidden!"

At some point, you just have to go with common sense.  Make some
blanket statement about being considerate, or something.  And accept
the fact that sometimes people will disagree with things, and the
hosts will just have to make a judgement call.

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{Photography.75.22}: Martin Booda {booda} Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:53:58 EST (5 lines)

The problem, of course, is enforcing common sense, and making it look
like an attempt to prevent "pushing things", as opposed to an attempt
to censor.

Images on the way; as soon as I get home to my photo editor.

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{Photography.75.23}: David {david} Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:41:50 EST (2 lines)

Yep.  And I imagine that's always going to BE a problem.  Sometimes,
there's a fine line.  Just one of those things...

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{Photography.75.24}: Martin Booda {booda} Fri, 12 Nov 2004 21:23:49 EST (12 lines)

OK, here we go again.

The title of this topic is "Air to ground, ground to air".  Basically
it's designed for photographs taken from the air and aircraft, or
taken from the ground of flying objects, identified and otherwise.

Most of what I'll be posting will be either from or of balloons, but
don't let that limit you.

First pic: Albuquerque Fiesta, opening day, 2 Oct. 2004.  After
scrunching, I read the file size as 56K.  Let me know if it turns out
otherwise.

Attachment: utne1.jpg (55K)

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{Photography.75.25}: Becky {scribbler} Fri, 12 Nov 2004 21:27:21 EST (4 lines)

As if a vent in the earth's surface opens and large multicolored
spores drift upward....

I LOOOOOOOOOOVVVE hot-air balloons. Thanks!

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