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{Nature_and_Environment.59.1}: James River Martin {rivertree} Thu, 05 Jan 2006 15:31:48 CST (4 lines)

This topic is for miscellaneous purposes, including news and



{Nature_and_Environment.59.2}: James River Martin {rivertree} Thu, 05 Jan 2006 15:32:02 CST (4 lines)

You are invited ...

Electromagnetic Pollution?


{Nature_and_Environment.59.3}: James River Martin {rivertree} Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:59:55 CST (2 lines)

A thousand words, and then some -


{Nature_and_Environment.59.4}: McGillacutty {anir} Sat, 11 Feb 2006 09:04:49 CST (HTML)

I figured I might never find this tale from FARLEY MOWAT again (because I couldn't remember the title), but a video store, of all places, came to my rescue. No one wants to talk about it in Film, so I'm linking what I said before here {Philosophy.502.2034}

The story's title I couldn't remember is not the name of the flick.

For you unregistered folk...the flick's relatively recent.


{Nature_and_Environment.59.5}: Mac {anir} Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:36:39 CST (2 lines)

The flick's name is "The Snow Walker," and it incorporates other
Mowat tales into his story "Walk Well My Brother".


{Nature_and_Environment.59.6}: James River Martin {rivertree} Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:23:17 CST (1 line)

The Wireless Revolution & the Public Health {Currents.2272.226-}


{Nature_and_Environment.59.7}: James River Martin {rivertree} Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:37:09 CST (8 lines)

Pigeons get lost near radio masts.   New research shows that the
prized birds, able to find their way from 700 miles away, get
confused near radiation-emitting masts. Exposure also makes pigeons
fly much lower than usual. Now pigeon fanciers are demanding curbs on
the number of mobile phone masts to protect their birds. Research by
the Swiss Bird Study Organisation.   Sunday Mirror 18 June 2000


{Nature_and_Environment.59.8}: William Lynn {billcorno} Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:53:36 CST (11 lines)

I go to German websites to keep up on my language skills, and they
talk all the time about the dangers of using cell phones.  Recently,
the article of interest was about cell phones that are the most
efficient and thus radiate less.

    Funny how American news hardly ever reports on this.


    William Lynn


{Nature_and_Environment.59.9}: James River Martin {rivertree} Sat, 11 Mar 2006 18:25:05 CST (9 lines)

"Funny how American news hardly ever reports on this."

Indeed. And yet... How many millions or billions of dollars does the
cell phone/wireless industry spend on advertising in those media?

Here's a source for some news, both local for New Mexicans and


{Nature_and_Environment.59.10}: James River Martin {rivertree} Sat, 25 Mar 2006 18:23:08 CST (6 lines)

Surprises are known to be expected

by James R. Martin



{Nature_and_Environment.59.11}: Steve {srs} Thu, 03 Aug 2006 11:34:49 CDT (10 lines)

I recently read "The Journey Home" by Edward Abbey. Though he mainly
wrote about the disappearing natural places of the West due to
urbanization and suburban sprawl, his observations hold true for the
whole country.

I enjoyed his irreverent wit and humor as he chronicles the man made
disasters man has brought about by so called progress. I respect him
as a man who would have loved to leave the modern world behind to
live in a more natural world. I think most of us too, would love to
escape what Abbey called "Our cancerous industrialism".


{Nature_and_Environment.59.12}: John Wilson {doorman} Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:08:42 CDT (13 lines)

Not certain where one could post this - but I'd like to establish a
topic that deals with the Great Lakes Basin and those that wish to
use the water to feed industrial, commercial and agricultural,
residential needs.

At present all condignees to the greatlakes international treaty
agree that no water can leave the great lakes basin... so that if
you do use the water for commercial or residential needs - sucha s
drinking water it must fbe returned to the basin (ie the lakes).

This is being challenged by some who are going to the Feds to
override the states..So far it isn't flying --- but put NOTHING past
the Bush administration.


{Nature_and_Environment.59.13}: Tom Elliot {telliot} Wed, 30 Aug 2006 18:17:38 CDT (HTML)

John, you're welcome to start a topic if you want.


{Nature_and_Environment.59.14}: Johnny Asia {johnnyasia} Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:37:09 CDT (57 lines)

It's no coincidence that the US/UK/Australia  "coalition of the
willing" partners are also the biggest users and wasters of petroleum
products. It must be because their god commands them to  "subdue" the
earth (Genesis 1:28)

Published on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 by the Los Angeles Times

U.S. Emits Half of Car-Caused Greenhouse Gas, Study Says

Americans drive more in vehicles with lower fuel standards, says an
environmental group.
by Janet Wilson

American cars and pickup trucks are responsible for nearly half of the
greenhouse gases emitted by automobiles globally, even though the
nation's vehicles make up just 30% of the nearly 700 million cars in
use, according to a new report by Environmental Defense.

Cars in the U.S. are driven more miles, face lower fuel economy
standards and use fuel with more carbon than many of those driven in
other countries, the authors found. According to the report by the
environmental group, due out today, U.S. cars and light trucks were
driven 2.6 trillion miles in 2004, equal to driving back and forth to
Pluto more than 470 times.

Brits Most Guilty of Energy Wasting Habits

LONDON, UK, October 23, 2006 (ENS) - Brits are the most wasteful
people in Europe, according to a survey of the energy habits of 5,000
Europeans. A report today by the UK's Energy Saving Trust found
Germans are the most efficient in their energy use, followed by the
Spanish, but Brits top the European Energy Wasters' league.

Australians among world's top resource consumers

By Rob Taylor

CANBERRA (Reuters) - Australians soak up more scarce resources than
almost any other nation and produce so much waste on average that
their mark on the world's ecology exceeds China, the environmental
group WWF said on Tuesday.

"If the rest of the world led the kind of lifestyles we do here in
Australia, we would require three-and-a-half planets to provide the
resources we use and to absorb the waste," said Greg Bourne,
WWF-Australia chief executive officer


{Nature_and_Environment.59.15}: James River Martin {rivertree} Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:09:51 CST (4 lines)

As a New Cafe "special guest liaison" (see: {Volunteer}), I'm curious
to know what participants in this forum might have to say about
possible invitations. Who would you like to have invited as
a "special guest"? Perhaps a favorite author or public official...?


{Nature_and_Environment.59.16}: James River Martin {rivertree} Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:49:46 CDT (3 lines)

Outdoor recreation enthusiasts may like to look at this:



{Nature_and_Environment.59.17}: James River Martin {rivertree} Sat, 21 Apr 2007 14:38:52 CDT (28 lines)


James River Martin {rivertree}
Sat, 21 Apr 2007

James {riverrat},

I've posted and read in {Nature_and_environment} since its inception,
and my thoughts are (a) it is a socio-politically oriented forum, and
should remain as such, and (b) it has always had a very low level of
participation, and that is not likely to change until the Cafe draws
a lot more participants.

To elaborate on point (a), I don't think mixing together eco-social
and eco-political talk under one roof with outdoors recreation makes
very good sense for the Cafe. Outdoor recreation and eco-
social/political concerns have in common, oftentimes, a love of
nature and the outdoors, but this is about all of the overlap they
have. I like the {Nature_and_Environment} forum as it is, and
wouldn't want to alter it in any way other than to encourage more
participants to gather and talk there. And it seems that there are
plenty of people here who have expressed agreement with the notion
that an outdoor recreation forum would be an enhancement to the Cafe.


{Nature_and_Environment.59.18}: James River Martin {rivertree} Fri, 04 May 2007 15:18:11 CDT (2 lines)

Biodiversity in the News


{Nature_and_Environment.59.19}: Rich Mason {richpix} Fri, 08 Jun 2007 07:20:00 CDT (9 lines)

If the same house were to be plunked down in different parts of the
USA, where would it use the least energy?  I've tried poking around
the web, but I keep getting information on energy costs rather than
usage.  I also found plenty of information by region (like west vs
midwest, etc.), but there's a big difference between Southern Ca. and
NW Washington State when it comes to energy consumption in the west.

Does anyone have this info, or know where I might find it online
without spending hours in the effort?


{Nature_and_Environment.59.20}: Tom Elliot {telliot} Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:38:31 CDT (HTML)

It's an interesting question but I wonder if it isn't the wrong question. Are you trying to find a universally efficient home? The most efficient construction techniques will vary with climate and location. When it comes to energy usage it really is based on the number of people in the home. A large home can be built that has low energy usage if lived in by one person or a couple but has much higher usage if it is a family of 4 or more. So variable conditions are an important consideration when building a home.

I'd look at weather and climate information. An area that has an average yearly temperature range between 30 degrees and 75 degrees F would likely be the least energy user.


{Nature_and_Environment.59.21}: James River Martin {rivertree} Sat, 23 Jun 2007 16:12:12 CDT (10 lines)

International Day against Electromagnetic Pollution

The 24th June is the international day against electromagnetic
pollution. Electromagnetic pollution is a continuous exposure to
electromagnetic fields generated mainly by high-voltage power lines
and electric power substations, but also by mobile telephony aerials,
radio links, and telecommunication systems (Wifi, Wimax).

>>> continued >>>


{Nature_and_Environment.59.22}: Magillacutty {anir} Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:48:48 CST (2 lines)

re green jobs and more


{Nature_and_Environment.59.23}: {bshmr} Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:31:52 CST (14 lines)

Results from another photography contest by eggheads <g>


Shooting beauty: Prize-winning photos of birds The winning images of
the International Wildbird Photographer 2008 Award were announced this
week. They include gentoo penguins, a graceful whooper swan in
midflight, and the inside of the huge bill of a dalmatian pelican.

[ The competition was organised by Bird Watching and Warehouse
Express. ]

BTW, don't search for "Men smell of cheese and women of onions"


{Nature_and_Environment.59.24}: heads up, hosts! {elakin} Fri, 04 Feb 2011 12:04:19 CST (26 lines)

i'm posting this in multiple forums in an attempt to make the many
forum hosts aware of what's going on at the cafe management/board level.

board secretary carlos {salsero} has involved himself in a
forum-specific matter being heard by the PR WG, and is threatening to
take board action to overturn a longstanding forum-specific ban on a
participant and to de-host one (or more?) of the forum's hosts.

this is a significant development since, up until now, hosts have been
given much latitude to run their forums the way they believe is in the
best interests of the forum and its participants.  grievances were
once heard by the ombudsman or PR WG, but now it appears that carlos
is changing that protocol in favor of direct board involvement and

given this new development in cafe protocol and what appears to be
complete abandonment of the "federated model" that carlos promised to
adhere to, i felt it was important to inform all the hosts of the cafe
that they will apparently be subject to the board's approval of any
and all actions they may take, and could possibly be de-hosted based
on the whim or caprice of carlos.

those who wish to learn more about this can read the entire thread at


{Nature_and_Environment.59.25}: Connie Hall {musefan} Fri, 27 May 2011 18:16:52 CDT (15 lines)

{Cafe_Improvements_and_Feedback.14.2524}: Jean Destry {destry} Sat, 14
May 2011 20:44:15 EST (HTML)

As a member of the New Cafe, I am calling for a members' meeting for
the reason of a members' recall of board secretary {salsero}, iaw
Washington State laws.

This meeting is to take place in {Currents} on 28 May, 2011, at 09:00 PDT.

A topic will be created prior to and specifically for the meeting.
Should new topic creation be turned off, the meeting will take place
in {Currents.3236}. Should that topic be unavailable, I will locate
another public forum.

Admins, please post this in banner form so that all members are notified.


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