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Buying new car


{Wheels.26.171}: Ford F150 {fvehafric} Tue, 31 Dec 2019 10:00:54 CST (2 lines)

You can friend her on FB - Patrice Okanogan - she hasn't been on the
cafe in a long time.


{Wheels.26.172}: Bianca R. {lily1} Tue, 31 Dec 2019 10:04:54 CST (1 line)

Oh, ok.  All is well with her?


{Wheels.26.173}: Ford F150 {fvehafric} Tue, 31 Dec 2019 16:15:39 CST (1 line)

Except for the beavers that keep flooding her property, yes.


{Wheels.26.174}: Bianca R. {lily1} Sat, 01 Feb 2020 09:43:03 CST (22 lines)

Not buying a new car yet, but looking.  Our Volvo V70, a station-wagon
design, is 10 years old now, so thought it might be time to look
around a bit.  Went to the D.C. Autoshow yesterday and looked at a

Looked at and sat in several, including Volvos, an Acura, a couple
Infinitis, Subaru Outback and Forester, Nissan Murano, VW Tiguan.
Tried to sit in a Land Rover but it was too high for me.  Didn't try a
Jeep, as they were in a different section and I was tired by then.
Audi wasn't participating in the show, unfortunately.

And there was NOTHING I would have been excited about buying.  I
really, really want another station wagon type of car, and they just
aren't on the market anymore.  The Outback comes closest.  The Acura
was the most comfortable and had a clever design in back with 3 hidden
compartments under the rear cover.  The Murano had a beautiful
interior.  But really nothing made me think "oh yeah, definitely an
excellent fit for what I need."

Looks like we will be keeping the Volvo for as long as it runs.  Or at
least another 50,000 miles or so, which would be four years or more
for us.


{Wheels.26.175}: Jil {rabbit} Sat, 01 Feb 2020 09:49:12 CST (1 line)

On Monday I'm picking up a Volvo V60 for a review.


{Wheels.26.176}: Bianca R. {lily1} Sat, 01 Feb 2020 09:57:59 CST (12 lines)

Oh that will be fun!  I'll be interested in seeing your review.  See
if you think you could get a dog crate, two large suitcases and two
carry-on bags into it.  ;-)

Also see if you are comfortable reaching the seat controls to adjust
them when the front door is closed.  I found the left armrest
uncomfortably close; my arm felt a bit squished reaching down to
fumble around with the seat buttons.

My current favorite Volvo is the small one, the XC40, but it's not
entirely practical as long as we still have our dog and make the
twice-annual pilgrimage between VA and NC.


{Wheels.26.177}: Bianca R. {lily1} Sat, 01 Feb 2020 10:13:55 CST (4 lines)

Jil, you probably know the answer to this.  Next time around, I would
definitely consider a hybrid, but is it safe to have one if parking is
just under a carport, not in a covered garage?  If the car is being
charged and the weather starts raining and blowing, is that safe?


{Wheels.26.178}: Jil {rabbit} Sat, 01 Feb 2020 10:16:47 CST (12 lines)

That whole armrest-in-the-way of reaching the seat controls drives me
nuts. A few automakers put the controls closer to the top of the door
and it's much easier.

The short answer is that I've charged plug-in hybrids and fully
electric cars in the driveway, in all kinds of weather. We have a
carport but the plug's in the garage and the cord doesn't always
reach, so I've charged them when it's raining or snowing directly on
the vehicle.

I'm not sure if you're not sure, or just the term you used, but a
hybrid cannot be plugged in. A plug-in hybrid (PHEV) can be.


{Wheels.26.179}: Bianca R. {lily1} Sat, 01 Feb 2020 10:45:51 CST (3 lines)

Oh, I used the wrong term then.  It was the Subaru Outback that comes
in a PHEV version and I spent a long time talking with the people
there about it, but forgot to ask that crucial question.


{Wheels.26.180}: Jil {rabbit} Sat, 01 Feb 2020 10:49:11 CST (9 lines)

Yes, they can be plugged in with any weather. It's all grounded and

I didn't know the Outback came as a PHEV. We just got the Crosstrek
PHEV in Canada but only in Quebec -- and that's because that province
has a zero-emissions mandate and automakers pay penalties if they
don't offer such vehicles.



{Wheels.26.181}: Bianca R. {lily1} Sat, 01 Feb 2020 11:01:31 CST (12 lines)

Oh, maybe I was confused which one it was.  I had been looking at the
two Outbacks on display and then the woman convinced me to sit in the
Forester as well (nice but a little too small for what we need), then
I asked if Subaru offered a hybrid version (meaning "of the Outback,"
but maybe I didn't specifically say), and she said "yes" and then went
on and on about how great it was, and the other attendant brought up
the cord and the carrying case to show me and all, so I thought that
was all part of the Outback, but sounds like it was for the Crosstrek
then, which I didn't even look at.

Auto shows can be confusing, especially with my wonky hearing and all
the noise around us.  I do miss some details sometimes, no question.


{Wheels.26.182}: Jil {rabbit} Sat, 01 Feb 2020 11:24:47 CST (7 lines)

Oh, absolutely. They're noisy, they're usually jammed, there's music,
it's all overload.

I just looked up the Subaru US website, because we can often get
different models in Canada. They would have been talking about the
Crosstrek. I'm pretty sure it won't work for you, because the battery
takes up a fair chunk of the trunk.


{Wheels.26.183}: Jil {rabbit} Sat, 01 Feb 2020 11:25:44 CST (0 lines)


{Wheels.26.184}: Bianca R. {lily1} Sat, 01 Feb 2020 12:06:16 CST (4 lines)

Ah, for sure not.  Even the regular Crosstrek is too small.

Honestly what I think I would like is the Audi Allroad, but at that
price would look for a used one a couple years old, probably.


{Wheels.26.185}: Ford F150 {fvehafric} Sat, 01 Feb 2020 12:07:33 CST (6 lines)

I'm going to keep my Volt for another three years then start shopping
for a used model 3, assuming that there isn't anything better and more
affordable out by another manufacturer at that point.

Have you considered electric? Quiet, smooth, fast, fun to drive, very


{Wheels.26.186}: Bianca R. {lily1} Sat, 01 Feb 2020 12:14:02 CST (8 lines)

I would consider a hybrid if the size worked for us, but not a fully
electric for our main car.  We make the 270-mile trip between our two
homes several times a year, so finding a place to plug in and the time
required to charge it would be an issue.

Far as I know there aren't any fully electric cars that would fit our
dog crate plus suitcases plus the random stuff we transport back and
forth.  We need something station-wagon sized.


{Wheels.26.187}: Ford F150 {fvehafric} Sat, 01 Feb 2020 12:36:20 CST (2 lines)

My friend's model 3 has 320 mile range. But it wouldn't work for the
dog crates. Model X would but they are hellishly expensive, IMHO.


{Wheels.26.188}: {fvehafric} Sat, 01 Feb 2020 12:39:15 CST (0 lines)
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{Wheels.26.189}: Ford F150 {fvehafric} Sat, 01 Feb 2020 12:40:33 CST (6 lines)

The charging thing though, Tesla makes it pretty easy, and for a trip
like your beach to Virginia drive, you don't have to fully charge
enroute, if you just wanted to add forty miles range as a safety factor
you could literally do that in the time it takes you to pee and buy a
cup of coffee. Not trying to talk you into anything, there are just a
lot of misconceptions about electric cars.


{Wheels.26.190}: Bianca R. {lily1} Sat, 01 Feb 2020 13:19:27 CST (11 lines)

Ok.  The size is the most crucial thing, has to take our dog and our
stuff.  Price comes in second, but anything over $50,000 would give me
severe heebie-jeebies.  Would prefer to stay less than $40,000-ish.

We don't put a lot of miles on our cars, about 10k a year or less on
each of the two, so it doesn't make a lot of sense to spend big bucks
on something that wouldn't make a huge difference in our gasoline
spending or even our car emissions anyway.

We sometimes stop at a rest stop outside of Williamsburg, so if they
ever got fitted out with charging stations, that would be a plus.


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