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{Wheels.2.12}: Joseph Kang {jsk} Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:33:25 CST (1 line)

Any decision on changing the background color?


{Wheels.2.13}: Jil {rabbit} Wed, 25 Feb 2004 09:03:08 CST (2 lines)

Frank, can you do that? They want some RGB or somesuch -- it's not
like picking out colors at the paint store.


{Wheels.2.14}: Joseph Kang {jsk} Wed, 25 Feb 2004 09:13:02 CST (1 line)

heh! no, it definitely isn't.


{Wheels.2.15}: 92 SVX, 59 TBird, 68 F250 {fvehafric} Wed, 25 Feb 2004 12:34:40 CST (3 lines)

Tell you what. Give me a topic number someplace in the cafe whose
background color you like and then I'll change it. Better than
farting around till I get it right.


{Wheels.2.16}: Daniel Hagerty {captainbill} Wed, 25 Feb 2004 13:17:39 CST (7 lines)

Thanks, Frank.

The standard "grey" of Café Utne is, I think, fine for this.

The RGB values are Red 238, Green 233, Blue 233.

If you need that in HEX, which you probably do, it's #EEE9E9.


{Wheels.2.17}: 92 SVX, 59 TBird, 68 F250 {fvehafric} Wed, 25 Feb 2004 13:40:09 CST (1 line)

How's that?


{Wheels.2.18}: Daniel Hagerty {captainbill} Wed, 25 Feb 2004 13:50:00 CST (1 line)



{Wheels.2.19}: Joseph Kang {jsk} Wed, 25 Feb 2004 13:52:58 CST (1 line)

Excellent!  Thanks, Frank!


{Wheels.2.20}: '85 VW Vanagon; '89 Mazda 323 {patrice} Wed, 25 Feb 2004 15:13:16 CST (3 lines)

(all you had to do was go to the Old Wheels forum and click
the "HOST" button, then you could see what the numbers for colors in
the old forum were/are. Just for future reference.)


{Wheels.2.21}: Doug White {dwhite} Wed, 02 Feb 2005 10:12:44 CST (4 lines)

Jil, are you going to enable the new motet photo attachment feature in
this forum?  Maybe at least in one topic?  It's pretty sweet.

If so, I could post a pic of me and my supah scootah.  ;)


{Wheels.2.22}: Jil {rabbit} Wed, 02 Feb 2005 13:55:08 CST (3 lines)

I see a place to attach a file at the bottom of mine, but that may
be a host feature. Do you have such a thing under the posting box on


{Wheels.2.23}: Daniel Hagerty {bigdaddy} Wed, 02 Feb 2005 14:01:21 CST (1 line)



{Wheels.2.24}: Jil {rabbit} Wed, 02 Feb 2005 14:06:15 CST (1 line)

Lemme look into it, then.


{Wheels.2.25}: Rhea Nodel {claudi} Sun, 21 May 2006 08:12:48 CDT (8 lines)

I'm still new around here and not really an automotive person, but I
do have transportation needs beyond walkable, which are met for the
most part by public transportation and my kick scooter.
I am currently looking to expanding my range.  Have zip cars ever been
a topic in this forum?  And if so, can I still go there?  If not - I'm
curious as to whether any cafe members have had experience with them.
Thanks for any input


{Wheels.2.26}: {rabbit} Sun, 21 May 2006 09:24:40 CDT (0 lines)
{erased by rabbit Sun, 21 May 2006 09:26:17 CDT}


{Wheels.2.27}: Jil {rabbit} Sun, 21 May 2006 09:25:35 CDT (3 lines)

Welcome! We don't have a topic per se on Zip Cars (you mean the car
sharing service, right?). Possibly the best place would be to ask in
{Wheels.3.322} and see if anyone has.


{Wheels.2.28}: James Giunta {jmgiunta} Tue, 07 Aug 2007 22:33:39 CDT (5 lines)

Hi Folks, I was just cruising by when someone mentioned I might enjoy
this forum.

I'm researching new and late-model convertibles and prices, so I'll
probably be asking a lot of dumb questions!


{Wheels.2.29}: Jil {rabbit} Wed, 08 Aug 2007 07:42:11 CDT (2 lines)

No question is dumb if you don't know the answer. Ask away, and


{Wheels.2.30}: Joseph Kang {jsk} Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:53:12 CDT (1 line)



{Wheels.2.31}: James Giunta {jmgiunta} Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:24:58 CDT (1 line)

Hi, Joseph!


{Wheels.2.32}: Connie Hall {musefan} Fri, 27 May 2011 18:21:52 CDT (15 lines)

{Cafe_Improvements_and_Feedback.14.2524}: Jean Destry {destry} Sat, 14
May 2011 20:44:15 EST (HTML)

As a member of the New Cafe, I am calling for a members' meeting for
the reason of a members' recall of board secretary {salsero}, iaw
Washington State laws.

This meeting is to take place in {Currents} on 28 May, 2011, at 09:00 PDT.

A topic will be created prior to and specifically for the meeting.
Should new topic creation be turned off, the meeting will take place
in {Currents.3236}. Should that topic be unavailable, I will locate
another public forum.

Admins, please post this in banner form so that all members are notified.


{Wheels.2.33}: Connie Hall {musefan} Tue, 02 Aug 2011 08:29:32 CDT (24 lines)

This is an informal survey to get an idea of how the participants in
the New Cafe view the purpose and/or vision of your experience on this
website.  I am posting this in every active forum to give the
participants a chance to voice their opinions for the next two weeks.
Afterwards, I will post a summary of the results in the board forum.

1.  Do you view the New Cafe as a charity, a social club or something

2.  At present, the current bylaws state that the only members of The
New Cafe, Inc. are the Directors on the Board and that all others who
post in the forums are participants.  Would you like the bylaws to
change the membership rules? If yes, do you want all who join New Cafe
to be members(which might require real names to be given in a list to
the state we are incorporated in) and have voting rights or would you
prefer a tiered membership with those who donate either time or money
to have the privilege of membership(with the same rights and
responsibilities as stated above) along with participants only who can
continue to post in the forums, but opt out of the membership?

3.  Would you like the Board of Directors to appoint or hire a GM to
handle managing the New Cafe website, or hold elections for all of the
WorkGroup Chairs to be considered a multi-headed GM, or have the Board
of Directors take care of managing the New Cafe website?


{Wheels.2.34}: Connie Hall {musefan} Tue, 02 Aug 2011 14:09:21 CDT (7 lines)

To answer the questions in the survey, you can either email me your
answers to
or if you feel comfortable, you can post your answers within this
topic and I will make copies to put together
a summary to post within the Board forum(without any usernames) after
August 16th.
Thank you!


{Wheels.2.35}: Connie Hall {musefan} Tue, 16 Aug 2011 15:09:06 CDT (2 lines)

For those interested.  The results of my informal survey are here:
{Board.69.76}: Connie {musefan} Tue, 16 Aug 2011


{Wheels.2.36}: E Lakin {elakin} Sun, 14 Jun 2015 10:24:30 CDT (48 lines)

FYI, cafe participants--everyone who posts here should be concerned
about this.  things get heated in discussions around here sometimes
and there ARE people who will do this sort of stuff to you when they
get mad.

<< {Board.9.4566}

board members--

i don't know if you're reading in the jane woodward/liz costello
topic, but if you haven't, there's a specific part of it that i
believe deserves your attention and should be placed on the agenda for

starting with {71.214-}, steve deering appears to be stating cafe
policy about malicious acts made in real life involving cafe
participants.   what he's saying is that the cafe WILL NOT TAKE ANY
ACTION against participants who act out maliciously in real life
against other cafe participants.  steve states that the ONLY actions
that will result are those that come about as a result of local law
enforcement action, ie, the police (or similar) must be called.

so, for instance, according to this board member, one cafe participant
may track down/call/email another participant's wife/husband, and tell
them all sorts of things in order to maliciously fuck with them in
their real life.  or find a picture of their kid online and post it at
a porn site.  and no action will be taken by cafe management against a
cafe participant who does something like this.

obviously, examples abound of actions that would be not technically
illegal or extremely difficult to prosecute yet would be extremely
effective in messing up someone's life (or, at the very least,
intimidating someone by insinuating that one would do this).

is this really the cafe's policy on these sort of malicious actions?

this deserves clarification.  please add this item to your agenda.


do you want the cafe to be a place where you can feel free to speak
your mind without having to worry that the person you're disagreeing
with might go crazy and mess with your real, offline life AND STILL BE

please get involved.  go to the {board} forum and let the board
members know your feelings about this cafe policy!


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