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Coming Soon: Galleries subforum

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{Photography.8.1}: Kai Hagen {kai} Thu, 17 Jul 2003 13:05:17 CDT (3 lines)

I've opened this topic to share information about the Galleries
subforum that will be opened here, as well as to get ideas from
folks about how it might work best.

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{Photography.8.2}: Which Hazel? {hazel2} Thu, 17 Jul 2003 22:21:24 CDT (1 line)

What kind of feedback are you looking for, Kai?

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{Photography.8.3}: Kai Hagen {kai} Thu, 17 Jul 2003 22:35:43 CDT (16 lines)

I dunno, exactly...

Are people intereested in having a topic of their own for a gallery
(with the ability to attach images here)?

Would it matter if it was world-readable or only visible to those
registered and logged in at the Cafe?

If that difference matters, would it make sense to have two subforums,
one world-readable and one Cafe only?

Should the subforum(s) be set up so that only the one person can
post  in them, or should it be an option to allow conversation in the
gallery topics?

There are a number of other questions, but those are a start.

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{Photography.8.4}: judith {jdith} Sun, 20 Jul 2003 09:49:51 CDT (25 lines)

Seems to me like maybe "gallery" is a little misleading for what
some folks might want.  I think some people would just like a place
to upload snapshots so they could display them in other places in
the cafe.

I sort of envision a topic in the nook called "pictures of my cats"
<shudder> ;-)  or a topic in salons called "pictures of our face to
face." In one way it would be nice to have a loose norm that most of
the cafe was text based, but that pictures were available in some
clearly defined topics. I know some people will have trouble with
download times if there are pictures all over, especially if folks
don't know how to compress very well or if there are multiple pics
on one page.

I would think that most folks who wanted that would just do the
attachment, and not worry about the html to make it visible here.
They would upload a bunch of snapshots, then go out there to show
them off.

so I guess I'm saying that there could be some folks who wanted
something called a "gallery" that was world readable and everyone
could see their photographs qua photographs (and comment on them-
optional) Other folks would be just as happy with something called
a "download zone" or some such that only they and the host could
see.

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{Photography.8.5}: Liz Adams {boud} Sun, 20 Jul 2003 09:58:19 CDT (12 lines)

On behalf of people with a (sometimes slow) phone connection, despite
a fast modem, thank you!  I really have a tough time when people
frontload posts with pictures rather than with links.  My whole system
balks and I can't abort the loading.

 So it's very good to have hidden posts with pix or links.  And if you
have a bio with a lot of pix, PLEASE make sure that the pix don't all
have to load first before anyone can get to the info they are seeking!
sorry, that was a related peeve that just got in there.

I agree that "gallery" is a term for those who are pretty serious,
want to show their pix for comment, etc.

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{Photography.8.6}: Kai Hagen {kai} Sun, 20 Jul 2003 10:31:00 CDT (HTML)

Yes.

>I think some people would just like a place to upload snapshots
> so they could display them in other places in the cafe.

I appreciate the distinction Judith made about a "download zone." That is not what is intended in a Photography subforum (or elsewhere, at the moment).

It is a *Photography forum* subforum. Not a snapshot storage space.

Photos that are attached here can be embedded with html in posts elsewhere, but we aren't creating a place here specifically for that. Or to make it easy to share snapshots with folks who are registered. Such images can no be placed on other servers (which most people have access to, through their ISP and/or various free web services), and posted with an html link. Or they can be posted by e-mailing the forum hosts in certain topics and situations.

> I sort of envision a topic in the nook called "pictures of my cats"
> ;-) or a topic in salons called "pictures of our face to face.
> " In one way it would be nice to have a loose norm that most of the cafe
>
was text based, but that pictures were available in some clearly defined
> topics.

That is pretty much how things operate now. By far, most pictures in the Cafe are posted in a small percentage of designated or appropriate topics. Not all, but mostly. That is especially true of images that are attached files (since it takes a host to help).

> I know some people will have trouble with download times if there
> are pictures all over, especially if folks don't know how to compress very
> well or if there are multiple pics on one page.

I don't think we will be seeing pictures in a lot more places than we do now.

The fact that a lot of people don't know how to make the file sizes smaller than what they get from a digital camera or scan or CD is one of t he reasons we don't make file attachement generally available.

Only people who do know how to do that will get panel access and a topic in a new Gallery subforum (not to suggest that is all it takes).

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{Photography.8.7}: judith {jdith} Sun, 20 Jul 2003 10:39:43 CDT (1 line)

well, bummer.

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{Photography.8.8}: Which Hazel? {hazel2} Sun, 20 Jul 2003 13:00:05 CDT (15 lines)

It would be great to have the option of seeing just what size it is
I'm going to be looking at *before* I decide to take a look. (Don't
know if that's possible with the HTML embedded images.) In any case, I
would still like to see some limit to the kilobyte sizes of the images
posted here. Like Liz, my system just locks up when it hits large file
sizes on the web (and especially here at Utne for some reason), and
it's difficult to abort. (Fast modem, but rural and poorly maintained
telephone lines.)

I might like to see some kind of organization to the gallery subforum
that also allows topics where images are grouped together by subject
or photo type, rather than by poster. Travel, landscapes, pets,
portraits, macro, nature, what have you. This would make it possible
for a number of posters to focus on a particular area of interest and
share comments about taking those kinds of images.

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{Photography.8.9}: Diane Hamilton {dianeh} Sun, 20 Jul 2003 14:06:19 CDT (8 lines)

Kai - there was a suggestion in feedback for a sort of "contest."
Similar to what we do in lit.writing.  Weekly might be good or twice
a month.  One person would suggest a word or theme - like water,
flight, communication (or even just a color).  Then people would
submit photos on that theme.  People vote for their favorite photo
and the "winner" picks the next theme.  A week might work - you
could announce the theme on a thursday, give people to Monday
evening to post and then allow voting until Wed.

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{Photography.8.10}: {kai} Sun, 20 Jul 2003 21:10:25 CDT (0 lines)
{erased by kai Sun, 20 Jul 2003 21:11:03 CDT}

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{Photography.8.11}: Kai Hagen {kai} Sun, 20 Jul 2003 21:11:12 CDT (HTML)

> It would be great to have the option of seeing just what size it is
> I'm going to be looking at *before* I decide to take a look.

I think that makes sense, Hazel, and works as a practice, in many topics in most forums.

I think it is a little different in topics that are obviously intended as (or clearly have become) places where photgraphs are regularly posted.

There is not going to be a strict, specific file size limit...at this time. I don't want to say that 100k is not okay. But, on the other hand, most photographs can be easily and reasaonbly shrunk below that size, even well below it.

So...it depends. It might make things a little more complicated, but I'd rather try to work with the folks who use this space to develop a good understanding of what the general goal is. I can always hide posts that push the limits, and discuss the situation with the person who might be going overboard.

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Diane: We've been talking about the idea of some sort of photo contest since the first time the idea of this forum came up. So...not to worry...we'll be doing something, before too long (though not right away). A repeated, regular "theme" approach might be the best way to go, since, among other things, it would let us take it on in bite sized pieces.

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{Photography.8.12}: Amanda Peck {amanda615} Sun, 20 Jul 2003 21:45:35 CDT (15 lines)

Posterize (reducing the number of colors), resizing the picture to
fewer pixels, are two ways to lower the size.  I've had reasonable
luck recently, and it seems counterintuitive, with putting some sort
of paint effect in as a layer, making it semi-transparent, and then
flattening the layers.

Cropping works too.  ;-)

Some editing programs--including something in the latest Windows--
offer you the option of making pictures smaller in order to put them
on the web.

But I truly do hate JPEGged to death.

I'd love themes.

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{Photography.8.13}: Which Hazel? {hazel2} Sun, 20 Jul 2003 23:38:38 CDT (3 lines)

I'd love the theme contests too.

Kai, what about my second suggestion in {8} ?

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{Photography.8.14}: Kai Hagen {kai} Mon, 21 Jul 2003 02:14:46 CDT (HTML)

> I might like to see some kind of organization to the gallery subforum
> that also allows topics where images are grouped together by subject
> or photo type, rather than by poster. Travel, landscapes, pets,
> portraits, macro, nature, what have you. This would make it possible
> for a number of posters to focus on a particular area of interest and
> share comments about taking those kinds of images.

I think that's a good idea.

I'm not sure, though, that those ought to be in the Gallery subforum, rather than in this forum. Never thought of this forum as relatively photo-free, and the Gallery subforumm as the repository for most images.

The subforum is really more of a forum for individual photographer's "galleries."

The others, as with the contests, would be fine here.

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{Photography.8.15}: Which Hazel? {hazel2} Mon, 21 Jul 2003 10:50:29 CDT (1 line)

Ah, I see your thinking. That makes sense.

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{Photography.8.16}: Miranda {mran} Sat, 26 Jul 2003 22:08:23 CDT (8 lines)

If a "gallery" was just a topic that a given photographer was allowed
to create, that person could elect to make it read-only if they were
uninterested in feedback, or could just make it a regular topic where
it is understood that nobody else posts photos, but people are invited
to comment and critique.

I like the last option especially because it offers a chance to learn
and be instructed.

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{Photography.8.17}: Which Hazel? {hazel2} Sun, 27 Jul 2003 00:17:48 CDT (2 lines)

I like the last option too, but hope it would be possible for each
topic creator to decide what they wanted.

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{Photography.8.18}: Carla Patterson {carla} Sun, 17 Aug 2003 03:45:15 CDT (24 lines)

Hmmmm... have you seen the way fotolog is set up?  That is my ideal
sense of a photography forum - open to the world but with extra
privileges to those who are 'members'.  Also, no contests. :)  But, I
know how popular contests are and I have certainly enjoyed
participating in poetry contests from time to time - but it's the
challenge of participation that is fun, not the winning/losing and/or
judging part.  To me, and this is only my personal reaction/opinion.

I bring up fotolog because it works really smoothly, has limits on
size and rules about copyright and is international.

A subforum in the Cafe would be best, I think, if it were NOT
world-readable because that's already available to all of us.  What
isn't available everywhere is a closed forum where we can
share/critique (if desired)/discuss photographs in a group we
know/trust.

Is the implication that certain people will be chosen to have
galleries based on their work being judged by someone or a committee
of people?  I guess that's a way to go but it wouldn't appeal to some
people for that very reason.  I was hoping it would be a photographic
version of the rest of the cafe, that people could create or add to
galleries in a kind of discussion or dialogue mode - only with
pictures being the communication medium...

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{Photography.8.19}: Which Hazel? {hazel2} Sun, 17 Aug 2003 11:47:56 CDT (3 lines)

I was assuming it would be operating within the structure of Motet,
in "posting" format. That would pretty much keep our galleries from
looking like the other internet photo sites.

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{Photography.8.20}: Nelie {parietal} Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:07:02 CDT (3 lines)

I'd like to be able to have a "gallery" even though I might be a
sporadic poster to it.  I enjoy taking digital pics but there are
months at a time when I don't have much time for it.

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{Photography.8.21}: {abilandeth} Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:26:58 CDT (0 lines)
{erased by abilandeth Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:47:10 CDT}

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{Photography.8.22}: Abilandeth {abilandeth} Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:47:31 CDT (4 lines)

There are plenty of areas on the net which cater to vacation pix and
pix of my kitten/pooch/roach, etc.  If it's to be a gallery let's have
something at least gallery-like.  Does not mean they should be
world-class prize winning photos, just really good photos.

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{Photography.8.23}: Doug White {dwhite} Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:51:55 CDT (2 lines)

How would you do that, have photos "juried" before being posted to a
gallery?

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{Photography.8.24}: Abilandeth {abilandeth} Wed, 17 Sep 2003 18:59:03 CDT (4 lines)

We ourselves would think "category for Galleries".  Would this pic do
for the "regular" pix sites, or would it do for the Utne Gallery?  We
would "jury" ourselves.  I'm sure it will all be sorted out well in
the end.

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{Photography.8.25}: Julian Mackler {jmackler} Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:32:04 CDT (3 lines)

i'd like to put some pictures online with the site, but don't see any sumission
forms or anything of that genre...can someone point me in the right direction?
-j

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