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Crop this!


{Photography.37.1}: Kai Hagen {kai} Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:22:39 CST (HTML)

We have an "Alter this" topic. Now we have a "Crop this" topic.

Same idea.

Post an uncropped picture here.

If you have a cropped version, go ahead and post that after the uncropped one.

Then let others go at it, offering via words and posted examples, thoughts about how or how else it might be cropped.


{Photography.37.2}: Judy Johnson {judy} Tue, 11 Nov 2003 17:16:31 CST (1 line)

Cool idea, Kai!


{Photography.37.3}: Coyote {coyote} Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:51:18 CST (4 lines)

Yeah, good idea!

Yesterday, I had a good idea for a topic, but it evaporated from
my brain. Maybe it will condense again in the near future.


{Photography.37.4}: Kai Hagen {kai} Sun, 16 Nov 2003 13:01:38 CST (HTML)

Here ine from Terry to work with...

"Not technically perfect because it caught me off guard. It was moving pretty fast, and this is the best one I got, even though there is still some motion blur.

I'd like to see how others would crop this."

by Terry

Attachment: TJMcGturkeyut.jpg (56K)


{Photography.37.5}: Kai Hagen {kai} Sun, 16 Nov 2003 13:02:33 CST (HTML)

"Here ine" was supposed to be "Here's one..."


{Photography.37.6}: Diane C {ladi} Mon, 17 Nov 2003 02:23:48 CST (HTML)

Up close and personal:

Attachment: turkeycut.gif (3K)


{Photography.37.7}: {ed1} Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:06:12 CST (0 lines)
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{Photography.37.8}: Ed Hawco {ed1} Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:12:48 CST (HTML)

The thing about a picture like this (any picture, really) is that you have to ask "what is it for?"

Photos that are highly aesthetic ("artsy") tend to have only one "correct" crop from the point of view of the photographer. By that I mean they decide on one view that works for them -- that makes the image do what they want it to do. (Others may disagree and offer other crops from their point of view, but the artist's view rules, so their view wins.)

But pictures like this -- although it's a damn fine turkey -- don't really stand alone as artistic pieces. It's not likely to hang in a gallery, or to be published in a retrospective of someone's life's work. So when asking "what's it for?" you're not likely to get answers like "personal expression" or "artistic insight."

Which is not to say it's a bad picture, it just has a different purpose. It's most likely purpose is illustrative. It would work well in a book of local bird types, or on a calendar for turkey lovers. In other words, as an illustration of what that type of turkey looks like in its environment.

I used to work at a stock photo agency that specialized in wildlife photos. A photo like this (assuming it was sharply focussed and properly exposed) was perfect because you really get to see the turkey.

Ironically, the composition is also good because the subject is centered. This contradicts conventional thinking, but in this case it is good because it gives the editors latitude when it comes to croppiing. They can move in close, like in ladi's example above, or they can crop it vertically to make a book or magazine cover (in which case they would probably flip it, too), or they can use it for a calendar with a slight crop.

I suppose the point is that with "illustrative" or editorial photos, loose cropping can often be a benefit. Otherwise, no matter how perfect you try to make it, the photo editor will always throw their own ideas on it. It's not like "art" photography, in which the image is expected to be the artist's "final cut." Photo editors see illustrative images as "raw material" for their perspective.


{Photography.37.9}: Kai Hagen {kai} Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:14:32 CST (HTML)

Great post, Ed!

...and fun.


{Photography.37.10}: Coyote {coyote} Mon, 17 Nov 2003 13:25:32 CST (2 lines)

Ha ha ha! That's hysterically well done!
I love the In This Issue text.


{Photography.37.11}: Coyote {coyote} Mon, 17 Nov 2003 13:36:49 CST (HTML)

I like this part of the turkey. Unfortunately, I couldn't enlarge it without it getting reallllllllly pixelated.

Attachment: TurkeyCrop.jpg (27K)


{Photography.37.12}: PETE ORTIZ {abilandeth} Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:34:36 CST (2 lines)

Great crop, Ed.  The "What is it for" opens up all sorts of forks in
the road which Yogi Berra urged us to take.


{Photography.37.13}: T.J. McGovern {tj2} Mon, 17 Nov 2003 17:36:59 CST (11 lines)

Ed, that was a very informative essay.

I used to shoot a lot of square format, and always tried for a
composition which could be used in different ways, particularly in
either a horizontal or vertical orientation. It's easier with
square, of course, but not always.

You make some good points, and it gives me some things to think
about, particularly if I ever try to shoot something for publication.

I like your cover design, too.


{Photography.37.14}: Amanda Peck {amanda615} Mon, 17 Nov 2003 20:12:58 CST (4 lines)

Yep, everything Ed said was true.

A nasty for me to try to do is to take plant ID pictures.  Some are
pretty easy, some are just plain hard.


{Photography.37.15}: Suzanne Griffith {sggriffith} Mon, 17 Nov 2003 23:47:31 CST (8 lines)

Fascinating stuff, Ed, and useful too.

Amanda, I've seen many plant books, but I've only found one that is
really great. I can take that book outside and look at a plant in my
yard and look at the photo in the book and say, "Yeah! That's it!"

It's not only the quality of the photo with plants. It's the time of
year, whether the plant is a good specimen of its type, etc.


{Photography.37.16}: nebulis {nebulis} Tue, 18 Nov 2003 09:21:50 CST (1 line)

Well put, Ed.


{Photography.37.17}: Suzanne Griffith {sggriffith} Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:30:17 CST (1 line)

Crop it!

Attachment: cropper.jpg (57K)


{Photography.37.18}: Suzanne Griffith {sggriffith} Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:31:30 CST (HTML)


{Photography.37.19}: Coyote {coyote} Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:25:22 CST (HTML)

Attachment: TreeLeaves.jpg (47K)


{Photography.37.20}: {coyote} Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:26:44 CST (0 lines)
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{Photography.37.21}: Catherine Ackerman {propinquity} Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:26:06 CST (1 line)

That's nice!


{Photography.37.22}: Diane C {ladi} Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:32:18 CST (2 lines)

I like it fine the way it is, perhaps cropping just that white bit at
the bottom.


{Photography.37.23}: Ed Hawco {ed1} Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:57:06 CST (HTML)

It's a tough image. On one hand, you can see the foliage as something that obscures that background, but on the other hand you can see the background as something that distracts from the foreground. In other words, this is an image that can't decide what it's about!

The only thing I can think of is to really abstract it, like this:

...or like this:


{Photography.37.24}: {coyote} Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:07:11 CST (0 lines)
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{Photography.37.25}: {coyote} Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:08:22 CST (0 lines)
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