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Some images have "IT" and some don't


{Photography.17.1}: Kai Hagen {kai} Sat, 26 Jul 2003 08:48:14 CDT (HTML)

This topic is to examine and discuss the little and not-so-little things that often make all the difference.

I thought a fun way to do that would be to encourage you to find examples of subjects where you have taken multiple images, often quite similar, and some work and some don't...or, even, perhaps ony one out of many has "IT."

If you would be willing to post one or two of the ones that didn't work, along with the one that worked (or the one that worked best), it would be interesting to look at the tangible and intangible differences between them.


{Photography.17.2}: Which Hazel? {hazel2} Sat, 26 Jul 2003 10:04:19 CDT (2 lines)

It's a good idea, provided that the one's that don't have "It"
haven't been deleted a long time ago!


{Photography.17.3}: Miranda {mran} Sat, 26 Jul 2003 22:56:27 CDT (1 line)

You may find "it" is in the eye of the beholder!


{Photography.17.4}: Kai Hagen {kai} Sat, 26 Jul 2003 23:46:06 CDT (HTML)


But clearly, some pictures captivate the photographer and other people a lot more than another taken in essentially the same time and place.


{Photography.17.5}: E Lakin {elakin} Sun, 27 Jul 2003 11:52:18 CDT (HTML)

here's an example of a couple shots. not sure if this is a perfect example for the topic, but i think one of these pictures works a lot better than the other. won't say which one, though, until we discuss it a bit.


{Photography.17.6}: Which Hazel? {hazel2} Sun, 27 Jul 2003 12:16:03 CDT (7 lines)

Well, I think the first one has "It" and the second one doesn't. The
first one contains the object of his attention - all the energy is
right there. The second one has him focused and moving elsewhere,
potentially out of the frame, and I don't know what it's "about".

I love your portraits, Eddie. They capture something very


{Photography.17.7}: Miranda {mran} Sun, 27 Jul 2003 12:47:34 CDT (4 lines)

I see Hazel's point, but I still like the second better because of how
grumpy he looks, and the lack of direction seems consonant with his
expression.  Seems like his character comes through more than in the


{Photography.17.8}: Kai Hagen {kai} Mon, 28 Jul 2003 00:47:59 CDT (HTML)

I like the first one better for the reasons Hazel listed, though I agree with Miranda that his face is more interesting in the second.

One other small thing, the person in the background is looking toward the camera in the second, bringing attention to the photographer.


{Photography.17.9}: Cleophus {cleophus} Wed, 30 Jul 2003 19:28:47 CDT (7 lines)

I like the first better:
*I like the cone form that the subject holds in #1 -- subtle elegance
coupled with the way he gignerly holds the fruit
*Newspaper on the right in #2 is very distracting
*Subject gazes "out of the frame" in #2
*Background subject looking at the camera in #2
*Background too in-focus in #2 -- distrcting


{Photography.17.10}: Ed Hawco {ed1} Thu, 31 Jul 2003 14:54:49 CDT (5 lines)

I think the only real advantage to #2 is the guy's expression. On the
other hand, we're talking about when an image has "it," and I think
expression alone doesn't do "it." It's more of a Gestalt thing. #1 is
much closer to having "it," but I'm not sure it quite makes the grade.
It's a great photo, I'm just not sure it has "it."


{Photography.17.11}: Rachel {sugarfreak} Thu, 31 Jul 2003 16:12:51 CDT (3 lines)

I agree. A photograph has to work as a whole composition, not just
the focus, or the objects in the the photograph. Is it a photograph
OF something (like a document) or is it an image in itself?


{Photography.17.12}: Amanda Peck {amanda615} Thu, 31 Jul 2003 22:09:22 CDT (2 lines)

And here I thought that the background guy was looking to see if
there was shoplifting going on.


{Photography.17.13}: Kai Hagen {kai} Thu, 31 Jul 2003 23:31:57 CDT (3 lines)

Who knows?

Doesn't really matter, does it?


{Photography.17.14}: Which Hazel? {hazel2} Fri, 01 Aug 2003 01:36:54 CDT (1 line)

So Eddie, which one do you prefer?


{Photography.17.15}: E Lakin {elakin} Sat, 02 Aug 2003 00:49:29 CDT (11 lines)

well, i *thought* i liked the second one better, but there've been
some valid points made here....and now i'm not sure!

i like the guy's hands better in the second the right hand
is in motion and a bit blurred, and how the left is clutching his
package like a claw.  and i do like how grumpy and serious his face

i dunno....maybe they work best together...


{Photography.17.16}: Sophie Voillot {morgane} Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:18:07 CDT (3 lines)

I think the second one is more like "it" too: it's more focused,
dynamic, and there seems to be a story happening, while the first one
is more ordinary.


{Photography.17.17}: Helge Hafstad {hhaf} Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:25:35 CDT (8 lines)

Good topic! Of the two I like the posing on the first and the
focus on the second. On the first the sharpness focus on the
price tag, and on the second on his face.

Can "it" be a separate issue from the technical details such as
light, focus, pose, cropping, etc.? Or is "it" a etherical matter
not connected with the mundane technicalities?
Or is "it" when the two mix?


{Photography.17.18}: Which Hazel? {hazel2} Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:40:52 CDT (4 lines)

But all the technical details make up a picture, don't they? The
light, the focus, the cropping, are all things that contribute to our
emotional responses to things. To me, they are hardly "mundane"


{Photography.17.19}: Mapei {mapei} Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:53:17 CDT (9 lines)

>Of the two I like the posing on the first and the
focus on the second.

Me, too.  Overall, I prefer the first because the composition is more
important to me than the focus - at least in this case.

I've tried to shoot in B&W occasionally and, except for portraits, I
definitely don't have "it" when I do.  It's a very different way of


{Photography.17.20}: Will Page {willpage} Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:43:29 CDT (10 lines)

very subjective this one.  I like the composition on the second one
better, and it just happens to have a focused depth of field,
bonus.  I like the composition in the 2nd better for a couple of
reasons.  Mainly, I think it tells a story.  Heck, there is a story
just in the apple buyers face alone, but in the second, with the
grocer peering towards the buyer, one can imagine some sort of
connection, some kind of recognition.  I think the picture 'flows'

Cheers everyone.


{Photography.17.21}: Scott Butki {scoop} Fri, 03 Oct 2003 12:08:16 CDT (HTML)

ok, here's two that I like because of how the lights worked out. Some say I should have cropped out the lights. Do these have the elusive "it"?


{Photography.17.22}: Scott Butki {scoop} Fri, 03 Oct 2003 12:13:10 CDT (HTML)

Or this one? Both are of a band named Clem Snide.


{Photography.17.23}: Doug White {dwhite} Fri, 03 Oct 2003 12:28:08 CDT (2 lines)

Either would make a killer album cover!  Maybe move them to that
manipulated image topic and put people to work...


{Photography.17.24}: Judy Johnson {judy} Fri, 03 Oct 2003 12:39:23 CDT (2 lines)

I like the lights. The first would be better though, IMHO, without
the mike cutting into the beam.


{Photography.17.25}: Scott Butki {scoop} Fri, 03 Oct 2003 12:45:32 CDT (4 lines)

Agreed. I couldnt move around much during the show and there were no
cameras allowed. So I had the flash off and was being trily.

Doug, thanks. sure, we can do that at some point.


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