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Re: Your next Holiday Travel Jet Exhaust Emmissions


{Nature_and_Environment.22.1}: James Thurgood {cremcatalan} Tue, 22 Jun 2004 05:35:51 CDT (HTML)

June 22, 2003

Global Warming & Your next Travel Holiday

Did you know that the Kyoto Protocal does not include the fastest growing and most un-sustainable producer of Carbon Emmissions in the world?

International aviation is outside the Kyoto protocol and there is, currently, no carbon emmissions tax on aviation fuel as there is on petrol in many countries to offset the air pollution.

Finally, there is something you can do something to offset your Travel emmissions learn more here:

James *****

"Every time you spend money, you're casting a vote for the kind of world you want".


{Nature_and_Environment.22.2}: Suzanne Griffith {sggriffith} Tue, 22 Jun 2004 12:59:28 CDT (2 lines)

I looked at some of that, and I think it is a great money-making
scheme for somebody.


{Nature_and_Environment.22.3}: Helge Hafstad {hhaf} Wed, 23 Jun 2004 04:50:30 CDT (5 lines)

I can recommend you to try the emissions calculator provided by
Scandinavian Airlines (SAS):

For one of their flights you can see with reasonable accuracy how
much your flight generates of several emissions.


{Nature_and_Environment.22.4}: James Thurgood {cremcatalan} Mon, 28 Jun 2004 15:30:25 CDT (82 lines)

International private sector partnership attempts to tackle *Kyoto
Protocol Exempt Global Airline Industry*s Pollution,* -one traveler at
a time.
Greenwood Lake, New York (PRWEB) Jun 29, 2004 * The Global Airline
Industry is sharply reducing the positive environmental benefits of
the Kyoto Protocol.

The largest negative impact of air travel is the jet greenhouse gas
emissions. The UK-USA private sector partnership between and presents an elegant
solution to offset one of the largest unchecked catalysts driving
global climate change, widely known as Global Warming.

Despite the global airline industry's heavy environmental toll,
guidelines on international aircraft emissions were excluded from the
Kyoto protocol on climate change and aviation fuel is tax-exempt. High
altitude airline exhaust is one of the largest sources of greenhouse
gases. The exponential growth of low cost air carriers worldwide is
only serving to compound the problem.

*At the Third Session of the Conference of the Parties in Kyoto,
international aviation emissions were not included in the agreed
targets, because of the difficulties that had arisen over the
methodologies for allocating these emissions*

Example: during a typical flight from Europe and the USA to Africa:
from London to Johannesburg each passenger is responsible for 2.5 tons
of CO2 while if flying from New York, this rises to 3.5 tons!

The Vacation Technician Company offers a convenient way of both
calculating these emissions and *repairing* their negative impact on
Earth's atmosphere. Each client is consulted
regarding the carbon created by their flight.  Clients are then asked
to make a distance calculated "offset" or financial contribution which
funds a CO2 reduction project in a financially less fortunate country,
professionally managed by

"Beneath the glamorous high-flying image of aviation is a grossly
polluting industry," said Paul de Zylva, head of Friends of the Earth
in London.

*Amid years of scientific warnings on Climate Change and Global
Warming, real conservation options have been non existent for
environmentally sensitive air travelers,* says David Chamberlain,
director of *We are excited to enable our
clients an option to "offset" the excessive greenhouse gas and carbon
emissions generated as they fly to the most enchanting wilderness
retreats in the world.*

Climate Care was formed in 1998 as a limited company, to help
individuals and organizations reduce their own impact on global
warming. Then, as now, we were in no doubt of the enormity of the
challenge, but we reasoned: "One World. One Climate. Two Choices." The
first choice is to ignore the problem and hope it will go away by
itself. The second choice is to acknowledge the problem and then take
sensible, sure steps to resolving it.
The VacationTechnician Company is committed to providing discerning
international traveler*s routes of discovery to both explore & protect
the most remote & pristine wildlife areas left on our planet.
Enlightening and exhilarating adventure tourism can bring hope to less
developed economies and those less fortunate while at the same time
sustaining and protecting our rapidly diminishing natural areas
worldwide. Luxury adventure never made so much sense.

David Chamberlain
The VacationTechnician Company
155 Blueberry Hill
Greenwood Lake, NY 10925
1-866-589-8792 USA
001-866-589-8792 International

Tom Morton
58 Church Way
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0)1865 777 770


{Nature_and_Environment.22.5}: Karen Harmatuk {nerak} Thu, 07 Jul 2005 00:01:28 CDT (5 lines) is a marketing ploy,don't you think? The site
sells high-end nature vacations! Should we not be discouraging
international vacation travel in order to reduce emissions caused by
aircrafts, and instead encourage local travel and appreciation for
one's local ecology?


{Nature_and_Environment.22.6}: {sekicho} Tue, 26 Jul 2005 13:37:14 CDT (19 lines)

Karen's got it right. Get to know your own neck of the woods!

I couldn't believe that utne would publish an article on a topic like the
environmental impact of flying that would include such a thoughtless
statement as "the only thing you can do as a consumer is buy carbon
offsets." It was a quote, but it went unquestioned by the article's
author (Jeff Greenwald, Fly the guilt-free skies, august 05 - it
doesn't seem to be online on the utne site for some reason, but it's
in the print version).

I agree that if you have to (or can't resist) travelling to remote
places you should do what you can to ameliorate the damage you cause.
But who are these companies he suggests donating to? Why not a more
trustworthy local organization? Greenwald says that American Forests
will plant 1 tree for every dollar he donates, theoretically absorbing
26 pounds of CO2 yearly. As a gardener by trade, I can tell you that
trees at a dollar each are unlikely to be big robust specimens! There
doesn't seem to be much of a budget for their care, either. How many
of these trees survive?


{Nature_and_Environment.22.7}: Suzanne Griffith {sggriffith} Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:40:28 CDT (8 lines)

Utne writers and managers, like many other so-called green
professionals around the world, spend a lot of time in the air and a
lot of time in exotic resorts enjoying the effects of pollution and
unneeded development.

I don't always recycle, but I don't spend my time going to
international meetings and pretending to have a social conscious.
That's truly reprehensible.


{Nature_and_Environment.22.8}: Helge Hafstad {hhaf} Tue, 02 Aug 2005 09:28:23 CDT (27 lines)

Is it Suzanne? There are many ways to look at this.
Travelling also brings about a lot more cultural understanding that
would be lacking without. This is in all probability a good thing.

Travel is something that is intricically inherent in human nature.
We need only to look at history to prove that conclusively.
Look at emerging economies like China, as soon as the economic
ability is there, there is an urge to travel.

Than said, there is all the reason in the world to make travel as
eco-friendly as possible. We do work at that (I work in flight
operations myself, and am also the environmentalist in our org.).

Aviation has already reduces emissions by 70% compared to the 70's
and noise by 75% in the same period. The current industry
predictions are for a further 50% reduction of both in the next 20

Already when compared to car travel you need to be 2-4 persons in
a car to have less emissions. (The actual number varies with type
of car, type of aircraft and the distance involved.)

It is difficult to compare with a train, simply because I do not know
the load factors, the amount of electricity needed, and such. I do
often see that electric trains are sait to be environmentally good -
but as in most cases the electricity is generated by coal or nuclear
power, this is somewhat questionable.


{Nature_and_Environment.22.9}: Suzanne Griffith {sggriffith} Tue, 02 Aug 2005 12:50:37 CDT (12 lines)

Thanks for the rational argument, Helge.

I really have little objection to good people traveling. I enjoy it
myself, as you know. But I think the individuals involved should be
aware of the impact of their own actions.

There's a large alternative group in my region that publishes a
magazine on sustainable living, which is sold on the national level. I
called them once and asked them for support on a local initiative on
the environment, and they not only knew nothing about it, they simply
weren't interested in something that wasn't national or global. Now I
think that sort of thing is unbalanced.


{Nature_and_Environment.22.10}: Helge Hafstad {hhaf} Thu, 04 Aug 2005 00:41:33 CDT (7 lines)

I enjoy travelling myself, and have had the chance to do so more
than many. I agree that knowledge of ones actions and the possibe
consequences is something that we should all have as a basic

The response you got seems to me like being interested in trees,
but not in nuts, seeds or saplings...


{Nature_and_Environment.22.11}: Suzanne Griffith {sggriffith} Thu, 04 Aug 2005 10:52:28 CDT (4 lines)

Yes, exactly.

That reminds me, I haven't checked on the news from the world of
fungus lately ;-)


{Nature_and_Environment.22.12}: Helge Hafstad {hhaf} Fri, 05 Aug 2005 02:58:52 CDT (1 line)

It's time! At least here. :)


{Nature_and_Environment.22.13}: Suzanne Griffith {sggriffith} Fri, 05 Aug 2005 11:55:55 CDT (1 line)

We're in our dry season. Not a fungus among us ;-)


{Nature_and_Environment.22.14}: Helge Hafstad {hhaf} Sun, 07 Aug 2005 14:16:22 CDT (2 lines)

We're havine an early "wet season" here. Lots of rain.
Should be a good mushroom season, but a mediocre summer.


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