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Buying new car


{Wheels.26.16}: Glen Marks {wotan} Sat, 09 Feb 2013 05:19:14 CST (1 line)

Can you believe it?


{Wheels.26.17}: Jil {rabbit} Sat, 09 Feb 2013 09:18:43 CST (2 lines)

Glen, I'm starting to realize I'm wasting my breath here, but ... do
YOU have any thoughts on what you're posting?


{Wheels.26.18}: Glen Marks {wotan} Wed, 03 Apr 2013 19:35:33 CDT (3 lines)

Latest issue of Consumer Reports:


{Wheels.26.19}: Glen Marks {wotan} Thu, 08 Jan 2015 22:02:13 CST (4 lines)

What car dealers won't tell you:



{Wheels.26.20}: Jil {rabbit} Thu, 16 Apr 2015 10:05:59 CDT (7 lines)

My friend is buying a new car. She doesn't want one with parking
sensors "because I can't stand all the noise they make," while a
backup camera is "too distracting."

I am biting my tongue very hard and not pointing out to her all the
bumps and scratches on her bumpers from where she's tapped poles,
buildings, and other vehicles when trying to park her current car...


{Wheels.26.21}: Joseph Kang {jsk} Thu, 16 Apr 2015 10:31:09 CDT (2 lines)

Heh. I find backup cameras to be pretty handy on rental cars. I have
yet to drive a car with proximity sensors, though.


{Wheels.26.22}: Jil {rabbit} Thu, 16 Apr 2015 10:41:26 CDT (9 lines)

I don't really use the backup camera when parking the car, because I
prefer to use the mirrors, but I like it when I'm backing into a
space where there's a car in behind. Sometimes it can be tough to
figure out how far to back in, because you can't see your own trunk
on most cars.

I also have a tendency, when backing in, to not back in far enough.
I'm afraid of tapping the car behind and I always leave far more room
than is necessary.


{Wheels.26.23}: Joseph Kang {jsk} Thu, 16 Apr 2015 14:42:26 CDT (2 lines)

Me, too. I'm terrible at judging distances when backing up and end up
leaving a larger gap to the car behind me than I thought I was.


{Wheels.26.24}: Bianca R. {lily1} Wed, 21 Mar 2018 14:42:31 CDT (25 lines)

Jil, if you are still reading here:  which would you buy, Volvo XC40
or Infiniti Q30 or Q50?

Or stepping down a bit, Mazda CX5 vs Honda C-RV?

My dilemma:  I've been driving my Z for 12 years now.  I love it.  But
it's definitely a fun-mobile, and it would certainly be more practical
to have something where I could carry the dog if need be, plus have
more room for carrying stuff, from groceries to luggage, in general.
Maybe a better "aging in place" kind of vehicle.

That said:  in 12 years, the Z has about 36,000 miles on it.  It's
been mostly a summer car, plus some errand-running in winter, but it's
not the family long-distance cruiser by any means. Putting 3,000 or so
miles per year on a car might argue for buying used, perhaps, no?

I like fun-to-drive, good looks, latest technology and safety
features, and definitely comfort for long drives.  Plus quiet, well-
insulated against road noise, is a good thing.  I find the driver's
seat in the Z perfectly comfortable; my usual passenger tells me the
passenger's seat is not that great.  But he's not the passenger very
often, so...  Anyway, wouldn't be a bad thing to have more comfort for
the passenger, but absolutely must have good seating for the driver.

What do you think?


{Wheels.26.25}: Jil {rabbit} Wed, 21 Mar 2018 17:31:09 CDT (10 lines)

The XC40 is very new and I haven't driven it yet. I like the Q30 and
the Q50, although for me, because I don't need something big, I'd go
more towards the Q30.

I like the CX-5 over the CR-V. They're both good, but I like the
driving feel of the CX-5 more. The CR-V feels a bit old and heftier.

Keep in mind that I only drive them when they're new, and I don't have
a lot of input on how reliable they are and how they age over the long


{Wheels.26.26}: Bianca R. {lily1} Wed, 21 Mar 2018 17:38:26 CDT (10 lines)

Right.  I think everything that I mentioned should have good
reliability.  I was sort of lusting after the Alfa Romeo Stelvio, but
reliability has always been a bit dicey with Alfas.

The other one in the mix is the Subaru Forester.  We sat in it at the
auto show in January and both of us liked it a lot.  It's really
bigger vertically than I need - I want horizontal space for a dog
crate plus whatever stuff we are taking - but it seemed really nice.
Vastly improved over the last Foresters we looked at nearly 10 years


{Wheels.26.27}: Jil {rabbit} Wed, 21 Mar 2018 19:04:33 CDT (9 lines)

The Stelvio is a blast to drive, but it's way too complicated to
operate. My review isn't up yet, but I thoroughly dislike what it
takes to work the stereo and climate system. Too much work on a
computer screen. And reliability for Fiat overall doesn't seem to be
that high.

I'd actually look at a Forester before any of the others you
mentioned. Also in the running is the Crosstrek, which is smaller, and
the Outback, which is more of a wagon.


{Wheels.26.28}: Bianca R. {lily1} Wed, 21 Mar 2018 19:59:05 CDT (8 lines)

Huh, interesting.  I had forgotten to mention it but we did like it.

The Outback possibly could replace our current Volvo v70 in a few years,
but I don't want anything that large for myself as my errand-runner car.
We don't need two large cars.

I liked the looks of the Crosstrek, but my husband didn't care for it for
some reason.


{Wheels.26.29}: Jil {rabbit} Thu, 22 Mar 2018 06:41:42 CDT (4 lines)

He should try driving it.

I'd also suggest looking at the Nissan Rogue, Chevrolet Equinox, and
Toyota RAV4 or Highlander.


{Wheels.26.30}: Bianca R. {lily1} Thu, 22 Mar 2018 10:35:27 CDT (11 lines)

Highlander is bigger than what I want.  I drove the Rogue Sport when
my Z was in the shop for a few days and HATED the stupid position of
the emergency brake pedal.  It stretches out into the footwell and I
banged my shin on it more than once as I stretched my left leg.

The regular Rogue apparently doesn't have that placement, but that's
creeping up into a little larger than what I want.

Toyota Prius V was worth comsidering, but apparently they are dropping
the V this year.


{Wheels.26.31}: Kathe Nichols {kathe} Thu, 22 Mar 2018 10:52:01 CDT (5 lines)

I don't know newer models, but have driven a 2001 CR-V since it was
new. It's been incredibly reliable. I didn't like the seats at first
but got used to them. Not a lot of road noise.

My daughter's RAV4, on the other hand, is quite loud.


{Wheels.26.32}: Bianca R. {lily1} Thu, 22 Mar 2018 11:08:53 CDT (10 lines)

Interesting points.  The Honda is always top of the lists of
recommended small SUVs.

I was really hoping the Cascada would be the car of my dreams - a
convertible with a folding back seat to give more cargo room, and a
reasonable price.  Yay!  But it has had terrible reviews, so it's off
my list now.

Range Rover now has come out with the Evoque convertible/SUV, but at
close to $60,000 - too bad, way out of my bracket.


{Wheels.26.33}: Jil {rabbit} Thu, 22 Mar 2018 11:48:35 CDT (9 lines)

There's an all-new RAV4 coming for 2019. Might be worth waiting to see
what it's like. The current RAV4 is a loud vehicle, although it has a
lot of other redeeming qualities.

I don't recall having an issue with the brake on the Rogue Sport (it's
called the Qashqui here and in other markets). I wonder if we sit
differently in it. I was pretty impressed with it overall.

Odd that they're dropping the Prius V for 2018 -- it's on sale in Canada.


{Wheels.26.34}: Jil {rabbit} Thu, 22 Mar 2018 12:29:13 CDT (1 line)

What about the Volvo S60? I really like that one.


{Wheels.26.35}: Bianca R. {lily1} Thu, 22 Mar 2018 12:36:26 CDT (11 lines)

Two words: dog crate.

I like our current Volvo a lot and was hoping that the V40 (not just
the XC version) would be making its way here like all the car
magazines said it would.  Basically I want a car-like vehicle with
expanded cargo capacity, and the V40 does that.  The Volvo dealer
however is telling me that it's not planned for the U.S.  She might be
blowing smoke so she can sell me an earlier XC, I don't know, but
that's what she says.

The V60 of course is a possibility.


{Wheels.26.36}: Jil {rabbit} Thu, 22 Mar 2018 16:04:42 CDT (3 lines)

Sorry - XC60, not S60.

I saw the V60 in Geneva. Gorgeous thing.


{Wheels.26.37}: Bianca R. {lily1} Thu, 22 Mar 2018 21:21:17 CDT (14 lines)

Yes, it is.  Definitely on the list to consider.  It's maybe a little
bigger than I would ideally like, but it's still smaller than our V70,
and it's a true wagon rather than a small SUV, so that's a plus to me.

I'm also considering for the first time if maybe it would be a good
idea to lease my next car.  I don't think leasing is ever a good idea
from a sheer financial standpoint, but P and I are now of the age when
we might have physical changes coming up, maybe lifestyle changes.
Might be a good plan to have a definite time-frame for ownership of a
given car, and we could give it back with no hassles, no worries about
selling it, etc.  Or buy it at the end of the lease if we find it's
still what we need.

Just an idea I've been pondering.


{Wheels.26.38}: Jil {rabbit} Fri, 23 Mar 2018 08:12:10 CDT (6 lines)

Overall I don't recommend that consumers lease a vehicle, but as you
say, it comes with the fact that you don't have to go through the
hassle of selling it.

If you are doing that, be sure you know the limitations in terms of
mileage, damage, etc.


{Wheels.26.39}: Bianca R. {lily1} Fri, 23 Mar 2018 09:09:59 CDT (14 lines)

Last night I was browsing what local Volvo dealers have available, and
found at the same dealership where we bought our V70 a 2017 V60
configured exactly as I want it, for about $9500 off list price since
it's a 2017 and of course they want to clear inventory.  Takes it from
the mid-$40,000 range to mid-$30's.

Same way as I bought my Z years ago - bought a 2005 about this time of
year in 2006 and got an excellent price.

Temptation is strong on this one..!  Also read the reviews of the V60
and everyone seems to love it for exactly the reasons I'm interested -
comfort, quiet, decent cargo space without being too large.



{Wheels.26.40}: Jil {rabbit} Fri, 23 Mar 2018 09:26:09 CDT (1 line)

It's a very nice vehicle indeed.


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