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People Pictures!

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{Photography.14.1}: Kai Hagen {kai} Fri, 18 Jul 2003 16:59:08 EDT (HTML)

I didn't want to use the term "portrait" in the title of this topic. Seems far too marrow.

But here is a topic for discussing photographs of people, from individual close-ups to group shots, from the straightforward to the "arty."

The following hidden post contains a few posts from "The Objects of Your Attention" topic...

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{Photography.14.2}: Kai Hagen {kai} Fri, 18 Jul 2003 17:00:11 EDT (47 lines)
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{Photography.14.3}: Kai Hagen {kai} Fri, 18 Jul 2003 17:09:31 EDT (HTML)

Even though most of my photographs are not people pictures, I really enjoy taking pictures of people, candid and posed.

I often get comments from relatives and friends about how good they are, even though it isn't something I have spent a lot of time doing or thinking about.

For a while, I figured that was mostly because, as someone who takes a lot of pictures, in general, I paid more attention to light and shadows, background and composition, and so on.

Those things *do* make a difference. But I have since come to realize that one of the things that makes people really like the photos, that is not directly related to those other elements, is that I take a lot of people pictures close up...or, in effect, close up with the help of a lens.

When looking at a lot of people pictures taken by my some other folks, I really noticed two things. A lot of people pay little or no attention to the non-people part of the two-dimensional iimage they are about to create, AND the people are often just a small part of the picture.

Of course, we all take pictures with people in them that are not close ups. But those are not the ones that usually stand out as great people pictures.

Still...have to say...there are plenty of notable exceptions to all of that. Some good people pictures *depend* on the overall context for what makes them good. And, some pictures just work...for all sorts of quirky reasons, planned and unplanned.

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{Photography.14.4}: Rachel {sugarfreak} Sat, 19 Jul 2003 10:20:30 EDT (8 lines)

Yup. A lot of times it's the details in the background that get me.
Like a reflection in a mirror...or a fork.

One of the biggest problems with the photos that people take of
people is that they stand too far back. You want to see people's
faces, not their knees. I'm not sure why, but a lot of peope think
you need to have the WHOLE person in the photo and it just puts too
much distance between you and the subject.

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{Photography.14.5}: {kai} Sat, 19 Jul 2003 13:33:35 EDT (0 lines)
{erased by kai Sat, 19 Jul 2003 13:33:47 EDT}

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{Photography.14.6}: Kai Hagen {kai} Sat, 19 Jul 2003 13:33:54 EDT (HTML)

Absolutely.

*If* you are that far back, you should get the whole person. Not from the knees up, with lots of sky above. But that's only if.

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One thing nice about digital, too, is that I can fire off two or three quick shots of something without wasting anything. I've found that the second or third, unexpected close-up is the best...*after* you took the one they posed for (forced smile and all). A little anything to get a natural grin after they think you are done works wonders

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{Photography.14.7}: Elizabeth Lower-Basch {izbit} Sat, 19 Jul 2003 13:56:12 EDT (5 lines)

I mostly take people pictures, unless I'm travelling.

People generally think I take good pictures because 1) I get in close
to the subject and 2) I throw out the lousy ones, instead of showing
people every one I took.

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{Photography.14.8}: Rachel {sugarfreak} Sat, 19 Jul 2003 14:00:03 EDT (1 line)

Ha, editorial decisions are a huge part of photography.

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{Photography.14.9}: Leanne Collier {chiles} Sat, 19 Jul 2003 15:36:57 EDT (2 lines)

Amen!  That should be in the photographers' oath of good picture
taking.

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{Photography.14.10}: Kai Hagen {kai} Sat, 19 Jul 2003 21:56:58 EDT (2 lines)

Yep. Even the very best professional photographers only show off a
small percentage of the pictures they take.

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{Photography.14.11}: Amanda Peck {amanda615} Sun, 20 Jul 2003 22:10:10 EDT (12 lines)

My experience with professional (non-portrait kind) photographers was
that it wasn't "even" it was "especially,"  Three printable off a
couple of rolls of 36 exposures was good.

they were taking chances, shooting at "I wonder if" instead of "This
will be good".  They were doing some bracketing.  They figured that
film was the cheapest of the things they were charging for.

With Grandma taking pictures of the grandkids, well, film is the most
expensive part of the process.  Not putting down grandma. Digital may
free her up to take more, become more comfortable with the camera and
picture taking.

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{Photography.14.12}: {elakin} Mon, 21 Jul 2003 10:01:43 EDT (0 lines)
{erased by elakin Mon, 21 Jul 2003 12:28:13 EDT}

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{Photography.14.13}: Kai Hagen {kai} Mon, 21 Jul 2003 12:06:43 EDT (HTML)

Eddie: Those pics aren't showing up here, either. (You can probably see them, but we can't.)

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{Photography.14.14}: {elakin} Mon, 21 Jul 2003 12:27:36 EDT (0 lines)
{erased by elakin Mon, 21 Jul 2003 13:05:57 EDT}

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{Photography.14.15}: Kai Hagen {kai} Mon, 21 Jul 2003 12:45:56 EDT (9 lines)

Nope:

     Forbidden
     You don't have permission to access /s/image2/0/11/62/
82201162UCGHuS_ph.jpg on this serve

Webshots doesn't want you to embed images elsewhere, apparently.

But I'd be happy to attach them for you here.

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{Photography.14.16}: Kai Hagen {kai} Mon, 21 Jul 2003 12:51:38 EDT (3 lines)

> Webshots doesn't want you to embed images elsewhere, apparently.

Either that or the URL needs to be tweaked somehow.

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{Photography.14.17}: E Lakin {elakin} Mon, 21 Jul 2003 12:57:13 EDT (4 lines)

grrr.  how annoying.  i don't mind emailing, but i'd rather figure
out a way that i can post the pictures directly.

gonna keep trying.

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{Photography.14.18}: Kai Hagen {kai} Mon, 21 Jul 2003 13:03:20 EDT (HTML)

Okay.

Meantime, I found you at Webshots. Found some people pictures. Took the liberty of downloading a couple to post here. Let me know if that is a problem. If not, feel free to send me (or point me to) others to attach and post.

Attachment: ELvendoristanbulnov2000web.jpg (55K)

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{Photography.14.19}: E Lakin {elakin} Mon, 21 Jul 2003 13:05:20 EDT (HTML)

hope this one works!

kai, you slipped. i moved off of webshots to another site. i don't mind you posting whatever's there. can you see them now?

perhaps we should have a topic discussing the various methods for putting pics online!

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{Photography.14.20}: Hidden due to Eddie's slippage {kai} Mon, 21 Jul 2003 13:09:11 EDT (HTML)
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{Photography.14.21}: Kai Hagen {kai} Mon, 21 Jul 2003 13:11:13 EDT (HTML)

> perhaps we should have a topic discussing the various methods
> for putting pics online!

Good idea.

We have one about posting images in the Cafe, but that isn't really the same thing, in spite of the overlap.

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Excellent and engaging pics there, by the way!

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{Photography.14.22}: Which Hazel? {hazel2} Mon, 21 Jul 2003 19:46:54 EDT (6 lines)

Very nice pics, Eddie. Your portraits have a very natural feeling to
them, like you've truly caught the people being exactly "them".
(Something I've never been able to do, hence I don't take portraits!)

File sizes good too, for pokey connections. (Curious to know how big
these are.)

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{Photography.14.23}: E Lakin {elakin} Mon, 21 Jul 2003 21:04:18 EDT (3 lines)

thanks, hazel.

first one was 51k, second 73k.

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{Photography.14.24}: judith {jdith} Mon, 21 Jul 2003 23:55:40 EDT (3 lines)

Hazel, a neat trick that I just learned:  right click on any picture
and go down to properties.  it will tell you the size of the image
and a bunch of other nifty stuff.

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{Photography.14.25}: Which Hazel? {hazel2} Tue, 22 Jul 2003 00:19:12 EDT (2 lines)

Judith, can you translate that into iBook talk with a trackpad?
"Right click" is PC talk. Don't understand.

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